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1x13 (Le Morte d'Arthur) this time. Tell us your opinion as there has been some disagreement among some شائقین on certain things about these two scenes.

Q1: As Gwen speaks to the unconscious Arthur, do آپ think she has begun to have romantic feelings for him, یا that she is merely speaking about her hope and confidence in him as the future king? Tell why آپ think what آپ do.

Q2: When Arthur teases Gwen about having heard what she کہا to him while he was "out," do آپ think he was flirting with her for the first time and starting to like her a bit, یا do آپ think he was merely teasing her to embarrass her about what she had done?
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I'll try to make it brief because I have to write in this little box! (Guess I can't answer my own question.) My thoughts on this and I'm usually in the minority: I think we see in this episode the first stirrings of romantic feelings on both parts. In fact, I believe what the producers/writers did in this episode was brilliant. I think they ended Season 1 with the first stirrings of the romance. The Moment of Truth episode saw each seeing each other as an individual rather than a prince and maid. Each was impressed with what they saw. Even though I believe Arthur eventually fell harder and quicker into real love, I think the glimmer of romance started with her. I think in this amazing, touching scene where she's speaking to his heart, she's got something she's feeling beyond her hopes and dreams for Camelot, though Camelot was foremost in her mind at the time. When she kissed his hand I don't see the gesture as a servant kissing her sovereign, but to me she was a woman kissing the hand of a man who she's attracted to. He heard her and she got through. This could get rather deep, but that's partly why he heard her. They were starting right here to be drawn to each other. If it hadn't started here, I really don't think the happenings of 2x01 would have had the impact that they did. Yeah, she fell on سب, سب سے اوپر of him and that was pretty "jarring" lol, but once inside, that look that transpired between them and the way their countenance was with each other (look at EPaws picture below) came from مزید than what had just happened outside. To me, something was already THERE. Call it attraction, romantic feelings, یا whatever. But that look he gave her and the way she responded, these kids were already dealing with something in my estimation and I think it started there in his chambers. Personally, I think it was a fantastic introduction to this epic romance! And for Q2, obviously after all that I just کہا آپ can understand that I think he was doing a subtle flirting thing there, especially when he کہا "Guineveeeeeeere" and reached out his hand. And she had the control to leave, lol! Well, a precursor for days to come, right? Looks like Issie and I come closest in our answers. It sure is fun how we can all see things differently and I enjoy all the viewpoints. I'm headed in a certain direction with all this so stay tuned.
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So I wan't brief, lol!!! I guess I kept going in that little narrow تبصرہ box!
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Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything!
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Plus, Nanna, آپ کہا it all. Your analysis of this scene was amazing!
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Arthur and Gwen جوابات

VampyreFey said:
So I'm probably going to sound like I'm babbling again, but I honestly enjoy answering your سوالات Nanna! They get me thinking.

Q1: Okay, so this one is probably the harder of the two to answer. I don't think, on Gwen's part, that she truly understood what she had begun to feel for Arthur. She has had confidence in him and she has had faith in him and we start to see that in episode 10. We also see her developing as a character throughout the season, up to the point where she can stand up to him as she did in "The Moment of Truth." And Arthur admires her for that- he even shakes her hand before they begin to fight because they've reached an understanding. So Gwen's supposed "detest" for Arthur and his not caring for her since she's a servant immediately begins to dissolve. At this point, I think- from what I can see in S2 eps. 1 + 2, that Gwen does have some feelings for Arthur. But she does not understand thm and their too hidden for her to truly realize them. So while she's mainly speaking to him of her confidence, her hope, and her faith as he must become the once and future king, there may have been an underlying message as I am taking what I have seen in the beginning of season 2 into play. This scene with her holding his hand and talking to him was a hint, I believe to what they could become. Nonetheless, she [Gwen] has not realized anything yet.

Q2: Okay. So here's the deal with this scene. Arthur likes Gwen. Well, not in a romantic way yet, but he can definitely consider her a friend. He certainly is not trying to embarass her. It's an innocent teasing and proves that he is happy with what she said. I think it's very mild flirting, once again to hint hint the future, but neither really see it like that. Arthur is teasing her out of fun, trying to coax her to take down her guard with him.

I think both scenes, however, were vital to the growth of their relationship. As viewers we took it as a hint and it opened the gateway for a kiss in season 2. At the beginning of the season. Without it, we would really not have any thing to truly base them on and "Le Morte d'Arthur" was therefore an important episode in their build-up. Those two little scenes opened the door for something مزید :)
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Good grief, Issie. Are آپ really just 15 years old. How at your age آپ have such depth and express yourself so well is beyond me. I hope you'll take part in all of the سوالات I post (hope to do مزید from time to time). Later, I'll tell what I think because I've had arguments over this scene, lol.
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Oh, wow, Nanna. Thank آپ so much! That's awfully sweet of آپ to say that about me :) I definitely will take part in every سوال آپ post because they really do get my mind thinking! Ooh, I can't wait to see your opinions on these scenes. Should be interesting when everyone comes online later! :D
VampyreFey posted پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
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No Issie. آپ really were bang on. A most insightful young lady.
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Thank آپ lots, Stacey! That's really kind of you! آپ are exceedingly insightful as well- your جوابات always wow me.
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hinata26 said:
Q1 I don't think it was romantic. I can't tell آپ why I just felt that way about that scene.

Q2 I think it's both.

I don't know if it help آپ because my جوابات are not really argumented sorry.
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Hi Hinata! Hadn't seen آپ around for a while, unless I just missed it. Thanks for answering, and as I told Issie, later I'll talk a little about what I think, but I want to see if anyone else wants to put in their two cents worth.
HumbleQueen posted پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
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It's true it's been a while that I haven't been around.
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EPaws said:
Q1 - Definitely not re romantic. Something far مزید important, pivotal in fact, is going on here. She sees in this person, the ability to make a difference and this is where spiritual kinship begins and latent, distant affection. It is the first step to the blossoming of other potential emotions. She has begun to like this individual and what he could become, so she re-inforces her belief in what he could stand for.

Q2 - Again, not flirting, teasing. The same dynamic is going on here. He is recognizing the person within her and finds, he quite likes the individual, who intrinsically, he is recognizing has his back. Still, all tentative, but affirmative about who she is. There is latent acceptance. She treats him as person. He does not come across that often.

In short, they are 'seeing' each other as people.


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 Q1 - Definitely not re romantic. Something far مزید important, pivotal in fact, is going on here. She sees in this person, the ability to make a difference and this is where spiritual kinship begins and latent, distant affection. It is the first step to the blossoming of other potential emotions. She has begun to like this individual and what he could become, so she re-inforces her belief in what he could stand for. Q2 - Again, not flirting, teasing. The same dynamic is going on here. He is recognizing the person within her and finds, he quite likes the individual, who intrinsically, he is recognizing has his back. Still, all tentative, but affirmative about who she is. There is latent acceptance. She treats him as person. He does not come across that often. In short, they are 'seeing' each other as people.
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Well, dear Stacey, glad to hear from you. Wouldn't be complete without your thoughts. I can't believe آپ گیا کیا پوسٹ the picture I was going to use as part of my answer.
HumbleQueen posted پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
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Sorry. Was not my intention. This is one of my three favourites period. Great symbolism in their respective expressions. THey are not staring at each other they are ACTUALLY looking at each other. These kids are good. They get the point across with seeming no effort. It is right there.
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and as we know, love eventually, always begets love. The real kind.
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san819 said:
Sorry guys...looks like I totally did that wrong...

Wow where to start. Q1...My answer is yes. Too me Gwen has always had an underlying crush on Arthur... but nothing she would ever think to act on. During s1e10 however,I think she began to realize that even if the crush was silly...she could shape his character. To me the 1x13scene is so sweet because آپ could see both but for practical Gwen the overiding emotion esp. after her dad's death was to make Arthur a better man.


Arthur was so flirting...or at least I think so. Forget his teasing tone...look at his expression and how it lingers even as she's leaving. Either it's directing یا Bradley is brillant but Arthur is emotionally repressed and starting here they دکھائیں him expressing his longing for Gwen with those angst ridden stares we've come to love so much.

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Oh wow, wow, WOW! I'm finally finding people who agree with me! This has made my دن and I agree (as آپ can see) with آپ wholeheartedly, san819! Thanks so much for participating.
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daenerys said:
Q1. After her father's death Gwen was very disillusioned with her king. Arthur, as the future king, was her only hope for a Camelot she could be proud to call home. That was foremost in her mind. If there were any romantic feelings Gwen was not aware of them. The idea was just so out of the realm of possibility that her mind would not have ventured there. However, I believe she was starting to see him as a man, not just her sovereign.

Q2. I don't think he was flirting (although he does come across as a bit flirty, it is not his intention) یا trying to embarrass her. I think Arthur was just being Arthur. Wanting his ego stroked. He had also developed a respect for her سے طرف کی this point. Whereas before 1x10 he would have been dismissive of her as just a servant, now he sees her as a person with a mind of her own and a strong spirit. He is impressed سے طرف کی her. Again, the idea of a relationship with (or even just an attraction to) a servant is not even fathomable yet.

Basically what Issie & Stacey said.
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I am so loving this. Everything آپ say is so well put, Daenerys, and as you're not ready to take quite as many steps as I have, I do agree that foremost in her mind was her hope for Camelot. And I do agree that they would both consider any kind of romantic relationship to be unfathomable at this point, I think they continued with that perspective even to mid Season 3, but yet, those feelings were there and I see them as stirring even here. Thanks for thinking this whole thing through and expressing yourself so well, Daenerys. I want your perspectives on the اگلے ne coming in a couple of days.
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Ya! Zoe! آپ کہا it...have to agree on everything. But, anyways, very brilliantly written. Great analysis!
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Thanks Issie, That's high praise coming from eloquent you.Nanna, I love these questions. They get me thinking deeply about the evolution of Arwen. I look آگے to اگلے one.
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