Critical Analysis of Twilight Club
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posted by nuxi
{edited, added some stuff, just an informal consideration of a few of the arguments that support the accusation}

"Bella سوان, ہنس is a sociopath."

It’s an extreme statement, to be sure. However, it’s not one to be dismissed offhand, without consideration towards its arguments.

First, here are a couple definitions of the term sociopath.
-Random House Dictionary:
a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility یا social conscience.
-American Heritage Dictionary of Cultural Literacy:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.

I'm going to discuss what seems to be the two main indicators: (1) antisocial behavior یا abnormal social interaction habits and (2) thought pattern focused so extremely on the self, that negligible interest is دیا to anything else. Notice that neither of these are necessarily destructive یا detrimental to outside society. Rather, it reflects a disturbed frame of mind and way of thinking that often leads to criminal behavior. Particularly, indicator (2) could be simplified as "egocentricity," however the word gives the false insinuation maliciousness. Keep in mind that this means that it just doesn't occur to a sociopath to think of other people outside of how they affect the sociopath themself. They may not even be able to understand how this یا anything they do out of self-interest is wrong.

Part I: Is Bella antisocial?
For the time being, we are putting aside her interactions with the vampires.

Some people who are extremely sociopathic یا anti-social are not concerned with appearances and openly engage in “behavior deviating sharply from the social norm” (from Meriam-Webster definition of anti-social). However, many sociopaths learn to skillfully mimic the superficial behaviors that indicate social interest in others and empathy. In this way, they are able to appear to normal to those who only see these superficial actions. Luckily, Twilight was written from Bella’s point of view, allowing us to see somewhat into her true values, concerns and intentions.

Bella certainly engages in social interaction on a daily basis in Forks. However, from before she even arrives in Forks, she has no true interest in the people around her, including her father. Her narrative makes it clear that all of her interactions and conversations were purely the result of courtesy and to hide that her true social interactions (ability/desire to bond with those near her) are abnormal. Despite many of her classmates going out of their way to welcome her warmly, Bella quickly judges everyone she meets and insults یا makes fun of them. In New Moon, Bella’s entire pretense fails and she is so obviously antisocial for months that her behavior disturbs her classmates and family. However, the rest of the time she is sure to engage in the minimal amount of superficial social interaction required to appear normal.

As with her habit of calling her father “Dad” only to his face, Bella displays no actual respect for him outside of superficialities. She lies to him about her boyfriend and other things, allows Edward to sneak into his house every night, and even states she doesn’t think she needs her father’s permission to go on a long road trip alone to an unfamiliar city. Bella shows no signs of remorse یا concern for these things and outwardly mimics a perfectly gracious and respectful daughter throughout.

Then she sees the Cullens. They are the only people in the town that Bella can be bothered to take an interest in. Their superficial beauty, wealth, and obvious exclusivity from the rest of society represent a social status above Bella’s own. “The isolation must be their desire; I couldn't imagine any door that wouldn't be opened سے طرف کی that degree of beauty.” And Edward, the available one, is her way in. Edward becomes the key to Bella’s own happiness, fulfillment and meaning in life. She quickly becomes obsessed with what he has to offer her.

Part II: Bella Lacks a Social Conscience
Exhibit A: Bella finds out a coven of vampires is in living in town. They tell her they don’t hurt people, but she has no reason to trust them. Did I mention they’re blood-sucking, people-eating-by-definition VAMPIRES? On سب, سب سے اوپر of that, there are bodies دکھانا up and Bella knows the perp is a vampire. Does she try to warn یا protect the entire town of very vulnerable succulent humans? No, she’s too busy trying to protect the cover story of dear Edward and his friends. Even if he kills her, she doesn’t want anyone to know it was him. She has no concern for the fact that she would be making it easier for him to prey on other people in the town because her feelings for Edward make him مزید important than anything in the world, even if he turns out to be a BLOOD-THIRSTY MASS MURDERER.

Exhibit B: Bella wants to be a vampire. She has no reservations about this. She wants that increase in status no matter how it affects other people. She is told that newborns begin with extreme bloodlust, that she would be overcome with the desire/need to kill people and eat them. Edward says he will protect her from hurting anyone, but she is told that newborns are extremely strong as well. It’s not difficult to imagine Edward being over-powered. However likely یا unlikely it is, there exists the possibility that Bella becoming a vampire could result in the deaths of innocents. She does not even consider for a moment the risk she is taking with other people’s lives. What. The. Hell? That takes a HUGE lack of social conscience and empathy.


Conclusion:
I’m not formally trained to make a diagnosis, but it seems clear to me that Bella has sociopathic tendencies یا is severely abnormal in some way. یا maybe I'm just desperate to believe that there is no way a sane human could think the way Bella does.


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posted by Mephadowfangirl
Well, I'm a Twilight fan, but I like to be critical of the series anyways. But recently, I discovered that a lot of the Twi-hater fanbase (or hatebase?) has been consisted of mostly people who have only seen the movies, and I instantly saw how there were so many Twi-haters.

Let me just start off سے طرف کی saying that the movie sucks a**, and I'm being NICE! The acting is terrible, they cut out about half the book and completely interpreted the book in all the wrong ways, the script sounded like it had been written سے طرف کی a five سال old, and the actors portrayed the characters so poorly, I almost became...
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If آپ have ever doubted the insanity of the C.A.T. Kittens, this will cease your doubts. I think it got long enough to be put into مضمون فورم thread. This makes absolutely no sense, does have swearwords, includes lots exremely odd things, and is kind of innapropriate. You've been warned.

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One دن Bella fell over while being chased سے طرف کی Steve the Spider, while Edward and Jacob were kissing. Pausing every once in a while to get a dazzling breath when Alice walked in on them and کہا - "Edward, what are آپ doing? آپ know Bella is over there. Wait...you're GAY?"

"Yes, but don't tell Bella...
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posted by kayleebabee
Is it just me یا is SM into brainwashing? She has systamatically taken over the world with her books. اگلے she will be Americas first ever hem hem SPARKLY PRESIDENT (no offence Barrack آپ rock) and twi hardiness has been taken to a whole knew level people religions such as CULLENISM yes آپ guys heard me cul-llen-ism.
Here is the cullenism 10 'commandments'

1.thou shalt wear سونا contact lenses-even to sleep!
2. thou shalt only drink cherryade یا کرینبیری رس, جوس (bassically its gotta be red)
3. thou shalt not take the lords name in vain (robert pattinson) cept when آپ are screaming it at his...
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I گیا کیا پوسٹ this a couple other spots, but I would really like to know anti-twilight/neutral شائقین opinions. I sort of ranted on the subject, but I think my intent is pretty clear. I'd love to read تبصرے if آپ have any, یا آپ can just skip this مضمون :)

This is sort of an informal rant/observation.

We all know that New Moon is about tragedy and the loss of love and the aftermath. Edward left Bella. But why did he leave her?

Since New Moon is being adapted into a feature length film, I've been seeing alot of سوالات and accusations reguarding Edward's absense.

Examples:
- Jacob's better...
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Hey ya kittens! I was wondering in how many words could I write Twilight giving the same character development as Meyer and saying obviously the main plot so don’t bash…I had a lot of fun doing it XDD It’s not to offend anyone but think about it trees could have been saved if Meyer had stuck with this version.

So on with reading


Hi! My name is Bella Swan, I’m moving to Forks because I want to leave my mom with his new boyfriend live happily ever after although I hate where my father leaves. Forks it’s a rainy state and so I’m in an airplane to go to it.

When I arrive there’s my...
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posted by Dearheart
Hello, kittens and newcomers to the CAT! Don’t worry, none of آپ are in trouble یا anything; I just feel that things have gotten a teensy bit out of hand, so I’m writing this as a reminder to all of آپ before it gets worse.

Newcomers, if آپ haven’t already, link It’s very important that people follow them so that we can keep this spot from turning ugly.

For those of آپ who’ve already read them, let’s review Rule 5:

Make sure the material آپ کرائیں جمع stays true to the spirit of this spot. Whether it’s a soapbox, image, video, etc...please make sure it doesn’t have excessive language,...
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1) Bring a good sense of humor. Don’t ever take things personally, and try not to be too sensitive. Otherwise you’ll be miserable. Just let loose, have fun, and be willing to laugh.

2) If someone offends you, don’t blow up. Respond in a polite, mature way, point out what offended آپ and why آپ find it offensive. If it’s something serious یا happens to be one of the things forbidden in Rule 5, chances are people will back آپ up and the problem will work out. If it isn’t, reread Rule 1.

3) Twi-hards, this isn’t a place to drool over Edward یا gush about how amazing the Twilight...
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I don't like Twilight. I find the characters shallow; the plot boring and cliche; and the hidden messages frightening. But in the hands of another مصنف - someone who wouldn't let their religious upbringing, their misogynistic views, and their twisted romantic ideals colour the story - it could have been really fantastic.

First off, the grammar would have to be fixed. The purple prose minimised and the مجموعی طور پر writing polished up.

Next the characters would have to be made realistic, their actions have an effect on the plot, and their history an effect on them.

Take Rosalie, for example. If Rosalie's...
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posted by renrae
Lauren, Lauren, Lauren, Lauren. She's the blond girl in twilight. The one tricked سے طرف کی a modeling scam, the one that hates Bella. We first meet Lauren in the cafeteria, I believe. Almost all Twilight شائقین do not like her. I mean no disrespect to the ones on this spot یا any others, but I do not think she has a reason to be hated. Reasons people give for hating Lauren are similar to the reasons for hating Jessica. "She's rude", "She's mean to bella and stupid", even "she's blond." That last one made no sense to me. The reason Lauren "hates" Bella is because her crush, Tyler, is infatuated with...
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posted by RonGetYourWand
There are some core things about the mythical creatures I wish Meyer would have دیا an actual explaination for:

Vampires

1. Turning into bats

She could have explained it as bats are attracted to vampires, but she choose not to adress it at all.

2. Sleeping in a coffin

How about that having something to do with them faking their own death یا something?

3. Lack of Fangs

An evolution over time to adapt.

4. Sunlight

Related to the fact vampires are considered to be connected to the devil.

Werewolves

1. Full-Moon

They meet at the full-moon.

2. Their Anger Issues (yes, I know that some of the wolves have this)

It could have been explained as a reaction to the moons phases.

3. Pack- Mind

Evolved trait یا even a gift from the spirits.
posted by AliceHaleCullen
I'm so glad to have found a spot that isn't full of people gushing over how hot Robert Pattinson is. Since the movie came out, the original idea of the series has deteriorated.

I used to feel proud to call myself a 'Twilight' fan. I first read it in 2005, and to be quite honest I loved how nobody had read it, it seemed really special. So called 'Fans' who now go around using the word 'Twilighter' just because they have seen the film have ruined it for everyone else.

Fair enough, it's nobodies fault it has been made into an overated hyped movie, but if they really understood what it meant before...
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added by nuxi
Source: Reasoning With Vampires Tumblr
Despite whatever impressions آپ may have garnered from the عنوان of this article, this is not about glorifying Twilight over His Dark Materials. It's about scolding the movie industry for giving New moon the green light while simultaneously giving The Subtle Knife the red light.

I know that Hollywood is a business, just as book selling is a buisness, above all else. The only time films are made for the sake of making films anymore is if they're independent. I admit that the occasional brilliantly artistic film makes it into the mainstream, and when it does, it's often recognized and lauded....
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I've talked about some of the things that crossed my mind when reading Twilight in the past. Thoughts such as "when is Bella going to freak out about the Edward watching her sleep thing?" "Did that say sparkling? I've re-read that passage like, four times and it still seems to say sparkling" "Does Stephanie Meyer think deer is a vegetable? no, really does she? Does she think آپ can call yourself a vegetarian if آپ don't eat things like people یا those monkeys who know sign language?"
But those are valid thoughts that many people reading the کتابیں also thought (well, maybe not specifically...
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*I'll have mentions to actual werewolves stories in here, so be ready for that

Even before Jacob and palls were called 'shapeshifters' (I'll get back to آپ on that, I am not letting go), we should have known they couldn't be. And here's why.

First off: the origin یا werewolves.

In the سال 60, 70 people started believing in werewolf lore. The oldest myth I know about this is Ancient Greek, Lycaon.

Lycaon invited the king-god Zeus to dinner, but he was unsure if it really was him, so he decided to serve Zeus human meat. Turns out, it was Zeus. And Zeus was ticked. So he killed Lycaon' 50 sons...
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posted by Aquilia
O Tempora o Mores
Oh the times, oh the customs


This مضمون is an appeal to all Twilight شائقین out there, I invite آپ all to think over your good and bad actions here on fanpop and contemplate them.

I have seen and compared examples of the appearances of the fandoms Harry Potter and respectively Twilight when criticism appear in each other’s sites on fanpop and I am astounded سے طرف کی the comparatively aggressive tone the Twilight شائقین carried when they respond to the کہا criticism.

Compare the responses of: link

And: link ;

Notes are to be made that both internet addresses were found سے طرف کی searching...
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Jacob: Let me call Bella.*dials Bella's number*
Operator: I am sorry. This person is talking to (Bella's voice)Edward Cullen. Please leave a message after the tone.
*tone never comes up*
Jacob: OH C'MON!

The اگلے day.

Jacob: I want Bella NAO!*calls Bella*
(Answering machine): The Swans are out right now, please leave a message after the beep.
[beep never stops]
Jacob: OH C'MON!

The دن after that:

Bella: *makes a new answering machine*
Jacob: *calls*
[Machine]: Hi, its Bella. If its Jacob, stop leaving messages saying "OH C'MON!" and if your not a Cullen یا my dad, don't call me. At ALL!
*beep*
Jacob: NOOOOOO!
*beep*
Jacob: ?
*beep beep beep beep*
{This phone will self destruct in 3, 2, 1}
Jacob: OH C'MON!

[Check the TS spot to see who made it, its me. So don't kill me about 'You چرا لیا, چوری کی this!'].
posted by RobynPotter
{i did not write this myself, but i found it ridiculously funny and thought it needed to be گیا کیا پوسٹ here}

Book 1. Twilight:
Edward: Hey.
Bella: OMG, I'm so silly. And horny.
Edward: Yes. I'm dangerous. I sparkle.
Bella: OMG you're a vampire!
Edward: Yes. Let's go play baseball.
James: I like your girl, Edward. Gotta eat her.
Edward: Roar.
James: Omnomnom Bella.
Bella: OMG I'm screaming in agony! Yes, I will be a vampire!
Edward: I'm gonna kill you, James! I'm gonna suck Bella as well.
Jacob: Oh, hi there!
Book 2. New Moon:
Edward: Oops, gotta go.
Bella: OMG don't leave me! OMG I'm so depressed and dying in...
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There are 5 things آپ need to know-

This مضمون is basically:
1. My story on how I got sucked into the Twilight Universe.
2. My life story on how Twilight has changed me. A lot.
3. A rant on why I like and hate about the series.
4. A confession on why I can't seem to get over with hating and loving it.
5. An opinion about how my life could have been without Twilight.

WARNING: Overall, this مضمون is about... why I think Twilight isn't that 'bad' after all. It's going to be lengthy. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

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This had me wondering for a while and to...
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I dislike the books, but after seeing image after image labeled "Twilight sucks", as well as تبصرہ after تبصرہ with the words, I'm beginning to see why we can be accused of being "haters."

"Sucks" is not a swear word. To say something sucks is not going to send آپ to hell. But it is derogatory, and immature, and does not lead to any real discussion. Well, unless some mature Twilighter comes along and say, "I see that آپ think Twlight sucks. Why?" That might spark discussion. But the twilighter has the upperground in that debate, considering the anti has already shown her immaturity by...
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