Disney Princess Unpopular Disney opinions (confessions)

viktoriya773 posted on Feb 10, 2014 at 11:53PM
Post your unpopular Disney opinion here. Express your opinion about not only DP but Disney in general. Please be respectful about each other's opinions and don't bash someone because of it. Say "I disagree/agree with you because..." I'm sure everyone is mature enough to handle it.

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پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک MaidofOrleans said…
I don't think The Lion King is all that great. It's fun, yeah, and the opening is phenomenal, but the rest of it was just kinda meh for me. Simba got on my nerves, and Pumbaa and Timon weren't all that funny.
OnceABlueMoon commented…
I think that there's a lot مزید to like about The Lion King, I mean it is basically the story of Hamlet. Have آپ ever read یا seen the original play? پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
incisron commented…
I agree. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
I never been a huge پرستار of Lion King, so I have to agree. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک OnceABlueMoon said…
I think if you dislike something, you should have a logical and well thought out reason for disliking it. This is mainly due to the fact that it takes little to no effort to like something, as there is usually at least one element that calls out to you. Disliking something takes effort and I think that effort should be well justified.
MaidofOrleans commented…
I agree! Also I like your نام کا صارف :) Very pretty! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I agree with tygers eye and bellerose, but I also see your point that negativity can get out of hand پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
Completely agree :) پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک mhs1025 said…
I like the Barbie version of Rapunzel better. How many of y'all agree with me?
BelleRose829 commented…
I dislike both, but since Barbie has مزید nostalgia, I'd say so. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
324anna commented…
I love both! But I feel so much nostalgia for the Barbie's Rapunzel. <3 پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
For the story I think Barbie's Rapunzel is better but Disney's Rapunzel is way better and interesting character over Barbie's. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک mhs1025 said…
I'm probably going to be big-time bashed for this, but I don't really consider the ending to Pocahontas all that sad. Yes, it IS a bit somber, but we have to be happy that John is going back home to get the best treatment he can.
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avatar_tla_fan commented…
I don't think it's that sad either, although it's the saddest ending for a DP movie, IMO. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
incisron commented…
I didn't find it that sad, either. i mostly watch the ending for the scenery and score. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
me too. as long as everyone's alive, i'm good. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Sk8er__grl said…
I think Snow White is one of the bravest Disney Princesses.
mhs1025 commented…
Oh wow. I'm surprised because most people don't تبصرہ on her bravery... پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sk8er__grl commented…
That's why I put it in the unpopular Disney confessions XD پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
_CatWoman_ commented…
I agree with Shanyuisboss. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک mhs1025 said…
I'm shocked at how many people hate Mulan 2. Yes, I wish Mulan did more singing and that there was an actual villain, but still.
MaidofOrleans commented…
Mushu ruined it for me. That's the main reason I dislike it. But the اندازی حرکت isn't anything to write ہوم about either. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
avatar_tla_fan commented…
It's okay. There are better disny sequels though IMO. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
I don't like when Mushu changes from a funny sidekick to be annoying and he even tried to broke Mulan and Shang's relationship. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک OnceABlueMoon said…
I find Peter Pan 2 to be a much better movie than the first one. They focus a lot more on the characters such as Jane needing to learn to have fun, despite living during a war. They also focus a lot more on consequences such as whenTtinkerbell almost dies, and they have a very empowered female character in the form of Jane who is able to pick herself up after failing and save everyone.
shanyuisboss commented…
To be honest, I think Peter Pan is probably one of the most overrated Disney فلمیں and also one of the worst. Not only was it racist, the اندازی حرکت stunk, Captain Hook and Smee were some of the most annoying characters on the planet, and so were the lost boys, Peter Pan, Tinkerbell, and even Wendy. I feel like everyone in the movie got on my nerves. The songs were weird except for the mother song, and مجموعی طور پر it is a terrible movie. The sequel on the other hand was one of the best فلمیں Disney has made. Jane was really a unique character, Wendy was way better, Captain Hook was toned down, and Smee was actually funny for once, the lost boys were annoying but it wasn't to the point where I just couldn't handle watching the movie, it was enough to portray the character, Peter Pan was actually really cool, and the movie had a مزید smooth flow. I didn't like the songs, but the اندازی حرکت was beautiful and I loved it. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
avatar_tla_fan commented…
I hate Peter pan. Peter Pan 2 is okay imo. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
I don't like any of them. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Diazdiaz95 said…
Ugh, whenever the subject of an LGBT princess or Disney character comes up on here I get a headache. Why? Because then we begin with the arguments and disagreements and it just annoys me a bit. Actually, a few months ago we had decided not to bring up that subject because a lot of arguments arise from controversial topics like that. Plus, people sometimes disrespect each other's opinions on this and the community feel that we have temporarily leaves and things become more tense. Not that we should never ever mention the possibility of an LGBT character but we shouldn't focus to much on it. I get annoyed whenever debates on it come up in real life so I don't want to see more arguing on that subject here on Fanpop. Is this an unpopular opinion? Or am I just too diplomatic for these sorts of things? Who knows. Keep in mind that I'm not saying that the whole club gets tense and that we all begin to fight but the polls can get ugly pretty quickly and sometimes these disagreements can lead users to dislike each other. Also, I must clarify that it's not like we're seeing this subject a lot all over the club but it has been in the polls lately and that reminded me of this opinion. Why are my opinions so long? lol

Where do I stand on this subject? Mwahahaha the world may never know. Well, the worldly probably doesn't care anyway lol but anyway, I'm not getting into that :)
Silverrose1991 commented…
I don't like the arguments either - even the ones I get into - but we can't just sweep the matter under the rug. Though I do think that we already had many "Do آپ want a LGBTQ+ princess?" پولز this year. I think we should wait another year, because the general consensus has remained the same (unfortunately). Otherwise, I'm really excited for princesslullaby's gay crossover couples countdowns. Oh, and I think آپ support the idea of a LGBT princess but not now because it would be controversial, but I may be wrong. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
mhs1025 commented…
آپ just spoke the truth, my friend! I may not like the LGBT thing, but it DOES get old pretty fast. Though, I will admit-I've gotten into afew debates about it with people, but we've always worked it out in the end. I may not agree with the people who want a LGBT princess, but it's their opinion and I respect it. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I see your point. Sometimes it's best to avoid politics. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک -DragonsFire- said…
I prefer Disney's "dark age" movies. I dislike the newer ones like Tangled and Frozen. I'm not fond of the renaissance and I could do with out some of the classic ones. I like stages after the classics and after the renaissance. Some of my favorites are The Sword and The Stone, 101 Dalmatians, Alice in Wonderland, Hunch Back of Notre Dame, Brother Bear and Hercules. I like Aladdin as well, but that's not very unpopular.
fanlovver commented…
I disagree, but I also love Aladdin and HOND. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sk8er__grl commented…
^Same پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
LibelluleBleu commented…
I love the Dark Age فلمیں too, especially The Great ماؤس Detective and The Rescuers, پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک dimitri_ said…
As a Mulan fan, I get annoyed when people are bitter about Mulan's popularity. I've heard a million times ''I hate how Mulan never gets bashed and blablabla.'' I mean, criticize her all you want but it's a little sad that most of the ''bad things'' said about her are about her fans.
Sk8er__grl commented…
I'm kind of torn at what to say. I am a HUGE Mulan fan, I adore her in every possible way. But I'm one of the people who sort of says it's a bit un-fun when their is no health criticism for a character. I agree though that if آپ want their to be criticism for a character, criticize them. Don't just complain to their شائقین (Especially because it won't change a thing, I'll still love her.) پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
mhs1025 commented…
AMEN! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I also agree somewhat with AudreyFreak that Mulan is very unrealistic- but that's why it's so appealing because it's so unrealistic and epic. It's just unrealistic in a different way. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک mhs1025 said…
Moana needs to be voiced by a Broadway actress. They said it's also supposed to be a musical film, and I think that would be fitting.
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک princecatcher93 said…
When people say the Princess and the Frog is dark and people shouldn't watch it, but like the Hunch Back of Notre Dame makes me a bit worried.
Sk8er__grl commented…
I adore both movies. I tend to like مزید adult themes in فلمیں but I don't see TPATF as very dark. Definitely not at THOND level anyway. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
mhs1025 commented…
I don't find The Princess And The Frog dark at all! It's one of my پسندیدہ films! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
_CatWoman_ commented…
Mostly because of the demons, Hunchback doesn't actually دکھائیں anything demonic beside the part when Frollo almost literally falls into hell. PaTF shows demons and witch doctors and play some witch doctors as good. Also dragging the shadow and getting sucked into hell was pretty traffic, not just a tragic fall. I consider both on about the same level, but I can understand why people say it. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Diazdiaz95 commented…
I agree with _CatWoman_ and I like both of them because I like animated films with darker elements although I understand why some people find them inappropriate for children. I'm sure my mom would not have let me watch PaTF if it had been released when i was a kid and i didn't even see HoND until last year, but that was because my just doesn't like it even though it's one of my favorites. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک _CatWoman_ said…
Aurora, Merida and Belle are my prettiest DPs, they're absolutely stunning. I don't find them plain, overrated or homely. Just the opposite actually.
Sk8er__grl commented…
I agree on Merida, for me she's the third prettiest DP. But I completely disagree on Belle and Aurora, I find them both sort of "overrated" in the beauty department (Air quotes because their really is no such thing as something being overrated) Aurora is 12th on my فہرست because she's kind of plain and I hate how fake and perfect they tried to make her look. Her hair color looks bleached and her skin is pink. Belle is 9th and while she moved up two spots, I still find her plain. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Diazdiaz95 commented…
They've all grown on me lately but i still find Belle sort of plain. I think that the other 2 are pretty though. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
Agree about Aurora and Belle, but Merida is مزید natural, cutesy-pretty imo. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک OnceABlueMoon said…
I don't really get the appeal in listing animated characters based on beauty. Just from the fact of being animated characters, they're all going to have the same symmetrical faces, same Disneyfied large eyes and same Disney standard Unrealistic Hair (TM). Any other differences the girls have such as noses or lips are usually drawn that way to categorize the girl by race, and I feel a bit unsettled to judge the characters based on that. (For example the majority opinion on Fanpop seems to be that the more Caucasian noses are the most appealing. See this poll for example: link
Tiana and Mulan's noses are criticized a lot for being too stubby, while Jasmines is criticized for being to large, yet the groups of people that these girls represent, have the exact same features.)

In addition, with judging animated characters, you are forced to judge them based on the frame you are currently seeing, which can be entirely different to the ones displayed at other times. For example, Pocahontas is repeatedly described as looking like she has no nose based on this picture: link whereas in this still right after, there is no doubt that she has one: link.

My central argument comes down to the point that these characters where specifically drawn so that they would looking appealing to the most number of people. If any of these characters existed as real live human beings they would be drop dead gorgeous. So any comparison between these characters is based on completely arbitrary factors such as the still you are currently studying, or a bit more unsettlingly, subconscious racism.
Silverrose1991 commented…
I do think آپ have a lot of reason about the race factor. I've been trying to be مزید open to different kinds of beauty lately, since these caucasian feautures have been presented to me سے طرف کی society as the ideal of beauty. For example, most black women that magazines and the public find beautiful have thinner features, wavy/straight hair, lighter skin, etc. However, I still find interesting ranking these animated characters سے طرف کی beauty. It's fun and we can't just create this policy of not having women of different races in a same beauty فہرست or, in real life, participating in the same beauty contest. To the women of one race, it'll create the feeling of superiority یا even inferiority, that "their beauty can't compare to ours". Plus, it's a bit segregrational. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Silverrose1991 commented…
Just look at this article: link It's about the most beautiful black woman and the majority has very caucasian-esque features. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I agree with you. The princesses were made to be beautiful anyway. "Now I'm just gonna sit here and draw the ugliest princess I can," کہا no animator ever (except for maybe Merida but even she turned out somewhat pretty). پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Angelica_AW said…
It's been a while since my put a confession in here, so....
Anna and Kristoff are one of my favourite couples.
Sk8er__grl commented…
They ARE my سیکنڈ favorite, so I agree with you. They are just so adorable I can't resist my love for them! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک mhs1025 said…
Not much of a confession, but, Brave and Remember The Titans make me cry.
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Diazdiaz95 said…
People like to talk about supposed bad character development in films like Frozen, Tangled, PaTF, and Mulan but, honestly, I feel that the 3 classic films have the worst character development since none of the characters ever change. Every character is exactly the same at the end of the film than they are at the beginning except for the happy ending. I don't see how that can be considered good character development compared to the characters in the more modern films that I at least change at some point in the film. Don't get me wrong, I like the classic films and Snow White is one of my favorite DPs but the characters are all pretty one dimensional with the 3 princesses being the most complex characters and even then they are very perfect,pproper young ladies and we don't ever get to see much in the way of flaws from them. I don't think that they are bad characters at all but they aren't as complex as the more modern ones. Yes, the classics are products of their time but so are all the princesses to an extent, so is everything for that matter to an extent, but just because the films were made decades ago that doesn't mean that complex characters or character development did not exist back then. Disney just chose not to develop the characters or make them complex. What I'm trying to say is that if someone is going to put down the characters in the modern films for having bad development or not being complex then I expect them to say the same or even worse about the classic DP characters. I ramble too much, I've even forgotten why I even wrote this in the first place lol. Is this even an unpopular opinion?
avatar_tla_fan commented…
Well, since I disagree, it's probably popular. xD. Our opinions are so opposite, wow. I think the classics are very complex and interesting characters. The only DP who I don't think is complex is Mulan. Her personality is pretty generic and uninteresting to me. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I don't mind if the characters don't change but they're still complex. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Disneyfan9648 said…
i like frozen
Diazdiaz95 commented…
Haha, I guess that is a bit of an unpopular opinion at the moment here on Fanpop. I like it too :) پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Disneyfan9648 commented…
hahahaha :) پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
Me too! high five fan! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
Me three :D پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Diazdiaz95 said…
Ooh, I have another one! Even though I love the characters, music, and animation of Brave, I find the story very unoriginal and I get easily bored with it. I like it less and less every time I see it. It is easily one of Pixar's least original films and it lacks Disney magic. It is at the bottom of my list along with Cinderella. It's strange how the plot alone makes me like it less than most of the DP films but it just doesn't excite me, I wish that it were more epic and action packed, like the trailers made it out to be. It is not a bad film but it just seems sort of average to me, it lacks that special something that makes me want to rewatch a film. That being said, I love Merida! She's in my top 5. See, it's weird because the film does have interesting characters, gorgeous animation, and a lovely score but a great, memorable, exciting plot is what seems to be missing for me and keeps me from loving this movie.
misscindyspice commented…
Nooo! D'aww, it's my پسندیدہ XD Agree with ya on the اندازی حرکت and score tho ;) پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Tygers_Eye commented…
I agree 100%. The trailers made it seem so mystical and magical (the ancient setting and mysterious wisps) and for the story to be a big, epic adventure to save the kingdom. If they just had that story (and مزید female characters and less obnoxious slapstick boy humor) I'd think it was a great movie. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
I like Brave, but I sort of agree if it was one of the least fresh and original Pixar فلمیں and it's مزید like a typical of Disney movies. Ironically Wreck it Ralph which was from Disney, has Pixar formula in its storyline. So I though they are switched each other, lol. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Tygers_Eye said…
This is REALLY unusual, but bare with me. I used to work in Renaissance Fairs, and researched and dressed in historically accurate European women's clothes. Naturally, I'm privy to ye olde women's underthings. And it drives me CRAZY when films that depict Western women from olden times (basically pre-1920's Flapper Movement) show them to be bare-legged under their skirts; particularly those with skirts that go down to their ankles. And that includes Disney's fairy tale era women.

I can understand Briar Rose since she was raised in the woods with fairies who knew little to nothing about humans, Rapunzel since she was raised alone in a tower in the forest by the centuries-old Gothel and is barefoot anyway, and Elsa's ice dress since it was of her own design, but there's little excuse for the others.

With few exceptions, Western women always had their entire legs covered under their skirts. They had at least stockings that went up their legs, tied in place by some sort of garter, and over that some sort of knee-length bloomers. You wouldn't see bare legs flashing like Snow White's iconic yellow and blue dress, Ariel's town dress, or Belle's standard blue dress. I know those aren't the most historically accurate, but it still makes me crazy. Especially the modern ones. In Tangled, we see a glimpse of Gothel's and the Queen's bare leg between their skirts and boots. In Frozen, we see a brief glimpse of the Queen's and Anna's bare leg.

The most "accurate" I've seen is Elsa's and Anna's coronation dresses. Even though Elsa's wearing dainty flats instead of boots (as Snow, Ariel and Belle were), she's got tights over her legs. Even when she's running, we never see a flash of her bare leg. And of course we seen Anna's coronation bloomers many times--which really begs the question of why she's suddenly bare-legged under her supposedly warmer winter clothes (as we see when she tries to climb the cliff in front of Kristoff).

I don't know. If you don't agree, you can defend it all you want. "It's fiction." "It's a fairy tale." "The outfits aren't exactly historically accurate anyway." I know, I know. But it still bothers me.
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Diazdiaz95 commented…
I hadn't really thought of that but that is true. It would be nice to see at least one European princess with accurate clothing. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
_CatWoman_ commented…
EXACTLY. I'm really picky about accuracy *glares at Pocahontas* and that always bothered me! I loved the outfits but I pained me to see them when I learned the dates of what each princess movie was supposed to be in. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
آپ have a point and I respect your opinion. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Tygers_Eye said…
I still like "The Snow Queen" way more than Frozen, and I wish they would have taken way more aspects of the story. ='(
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MalloMar commented…
I think The Snow Queen could translate beautifully into an animated movie....and I agree. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
_CatWoman_ commented…
I really wish they had made it less modern and jumbled and did it in 2D, whilst actually writing a good script based off of The Snow Queen. I watched an honest trailer an one of the تبصرے کہا "But Frozen is based off The Snow Queen, so It didn't steal from Lion King." But Lion King was based on Hamlet and Frozen isn't based off of The Snow Queen AT ALL. It pains me, because The Snow Queen has a much better story in my opinion. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
Snow Queen is just okay, mainly because I'm not a پرستار of dark and depressing folktales like that. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک mhs1025 said…
Every time I see the matchmaker scene in Mulan, the more I hate it.
OnceABlueMoon commented…
What makes آپ dislike it? پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
mhs1025 commented…
^ Well, she sees Crickee in the چائے cup, she tries to get him out of there, but the matchmaker is such a hard-ass! (Sorry about my language.) پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
agree with catwoman پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک AudreyFreak said…
I wish PATF hadn't pounded the "wishing and believing in magic is dumb, you have to work hard" theme into our heads. You can get a point across without being so repetitive and anvilicious about it. (That strongly goes for Frozen too.) It's also pretty silly coming from Disney. I also wish they hadn't made Tiana so obsessed with her restaurant. Being fixated on a business can come off as a little greedy. Can't she have other interests or hobbies?
Tygers_Eye commented…
I rather agree except for two things. 1) UNFORTUNATELY, people ARE dumb enough that Disney needs to be repetitive and anvilicious about it. Most people are saying "Frozen is the first Disney movie to portray sisterly love/show آپ don't need a man to save the day/not end in marriage/show that marrying someone آپ just met is dumb" etc BECAUSE it's not subtle about it the way past Disney films were. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Tygers_Eye commented…
2) I feel Tiana's obsession with her restaurant was a product of its time. Everyone at the time was criticizing Disney for having their princesses want to find love (classic princesses) and/or have really vague desires (like Belle and Pocahontas). So they gave Tiana a specific motivation, only for the crowds to say "Eh, that's too specific. Girls who don't want a restaurant یا see the floating lights can't relate to it," so they changed the motivations back to being مزید vague for Frozen. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
^Same here. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Silverrose1991 said…
I've talked about it before, but I need to rant again. It really annoys me when people complain about Prince Charming from Cinderella. The arguments always center around "he only danced with her because she was pretty!" or "he didn't search for her himself!"

Duh, of course he didn't. He wasn't the one who arranged the search: his father was. The Prince merely said he would marry the girl whom the slipper fits, and the King twisted his words (News flash: Charming wasn't going to marry any girl whose feet were small enough!). He probably got mad when he found out his father went behind his back.

As for ignoring all the other girls but Cinderella: it was love at first sight. There were other beautiful maidens at the ball (Princess Frederica whatever-her-name and others), but none of them struck with him. When he saw Cinderella, the only girl who wasn't waiting in line to greet him, he simply felt drawn to her. That's the way things work in folklore and even other fiction sometimes.

Okay, done ranting.
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Tygers_Eye commented…
I rather agree. The Duke explaings the absurdity of love at first sight when the prince spots Cinderella and walks up to her, دکھانا that the filmmakers KNOW it's unrealistic and absurd, but in this case, for this story, true love does happen. And I can't agree مزید about the father going behind the son's back. People who whine "He didn't even go to تلاش for her!" I think, "Have آپ not seen this movie since آپ were 3?" The film makes it clear that while the prince کہا he would not rest until he found the girl who fits the slipper, what he MEANT was he would not rest until he found the girl who OWNS the slipper. However, his dad wanted him to get married ASAP and so deliberately misinterpreted his words. "But Sire! This slipper can fit any number of girls!" "That's his problem. He's دیا his word, and we'll hold him to it!" پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Tygers_Eye commented…
I know Cinderella is a flawed movie and I can understand people saying X, Y and X about things that actually happen in the story. But there are times when people complain about something and I think, "That was addressed in the film" یا "You clearly haven't seen this film in years. Go back and watch it again before آپ judge." پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
THANK YOU. Charming is an underrated and interesting character and I wish he got مزید recognition. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Tygers_Eye said…
I'm really growing disillusioned with the Disney Princess lineup, for all the creativity it stifles and conformity it demands. Disney princess movies all seem to follow a standard formula, Disney princesses have to fit a standard mold, and those that don't are configured until they do.

Just look at the latest addition to the lineup. "The Snow Queen" is a very unique, atypical fairy tale about a little peasant girl who sets off alone to save her best friend from the "beautiful, powerful, dangerous, cold" and enigmatic Snow Queen, and is hindered and helped by many women (kind and cruel) and animals she encounters on the way. What does Disney do? Why, gut it and reconfigure the few parts they didn't throw away to fit the standard Disney Princess movie formula, of course. Make the little peasant girl a teenage princess to sell dolls, make the Snow Queen the princess's sister to make her "relatable" (and get two princesses for the price of one), add a male guide to enforce girls' dependence on men (in-story and out), change all the sidekicks and background characters from female to male to give the film an all-male presence to appeal to men who might be grossed out by the two female protagonists, etc.

And Merida! Ohhh. She was designed to be the atypical, a-romantic princess who is an unabashed tomboy, loves archery and swordsmanship, can't stand the confines of silk dresses or restrained hair, isn't interested in romance or ready for marriage, doesn't sing, etc. So what does Disney do? Exactly what Merida and the girls meant to relate to her hate. Redesign her to fit the standard princess mold, showing that all girls should be interested in makeup, hair, fashion, and sparkling dresses even if they claim to not be interested. Same with Mulan.

I could go on and on. Like the Nostalgia Chick said, they're all teenage coming-of-age romance-driven fairy tales. And God forbid the movie or one of the princesses deviate from the cookie-cutter mold even a little, Disney will gut it until it is.
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audreybrooke commented…
I agree. آپ pretty much summed it up! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
324anna commented…
That's sad, but so true. Well said! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I see your point. That's why I don't think Merida fits in with the lineup because it's just contradictory. Sometimes Disney can go pretty corporate instead of appreciating the natural variety that's already there. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک scarletunicorn said…
I don't get the appeal of Fantasia. Unpopular opinion but I much prefer the sequel.

And I don't like how when Doug Walker made his silly "Disneycember" videos everybody changed their opinions about these movies to match his.

I like the non-princess movies just as much as the princess ones (and depending on which movie, sometimes more or less). I like Bambi and The Jungle Book just as much as Sleeping Beauty or Beauty and the Beast.

I find non-Disney movies to be as good or sometimes even better than the Disney ones (The Last Unicorn and Secret of Kells are personal favorites of mine).
MalloMar commented…
I think Fantasia is beautiful, but I understand why others aren't interested in it. I agree with your Doug Walker opinion. People shouldn't be so easily influenced سے طرف کی HIS opRinions. I respect his, but I don't have to always agree with them. I usually PEFER non-DP فلمیں to DP movies. I love the Disney Princess movies, but there are so many non-Princess ones that I love. And non-Disney animated فلمیں can be spectacular, and better than Disney movies. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sk8er__grl commented…
I really like Fantasia. I think it's gorgeous and I can't help but marvel at how good it was for it's time. I also love how all the movements of the characters match up with the موسیقی and how they made the characters have personalities just سے طرف کی the movements and music. I like the sequel just as much, but I can't marvel at how good it was for it's time like I can the first. About the nostalgia critic ( Doug Walker) I'm going to have to strongly disagree with آپ on this one. I can't speak for everyone, but when I saw my first NC video (On youtube. It was either the سب, سب سے اوپر 11 dumbest Spiderman moments یا the سوان, ہنس princess review) I started actively watching his ویڈیوز because of how much I agreed with him and the things I saw first watch of the movie. Sometimes my opinions change when I watch his videos, but only when he explains his reasoning and brings up really good points. I sometimes agree (The ویڈیوز brought up) and I sometimes disagree (I am STILL cringing at his Full house review) پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I think Fantasia is gorgeous. It's مزید "adult" than the other Disney فلمیں but to each their own. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Diazdiaz95 said…
First, I also much prefer Fantasies 2000 to the original. I also like many of the non princess Disney just as much if not more than several of the princess films. Finally, I do think that their are several non Disney animated films that are just as good if not better than some Disney films. We seem to agree on quite a bit :) I don't know who Doug Walker is though. Oh, and the Secret of Kells is quite nice, I just don't like the ending.
Diazdiaz95 commented…
Lol,what's wrong with me today? This was supposed to be a تبصرہ on the گزشتہ post. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Silverrose1991 commented…
Doug Walker is the Nostalgia Critic :) پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I like Fantasia too. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک truth76 said…
Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast and Frozen are at the bottom of my list.
MalloMar commented…
BatB and Frozen are low, but Aladdin is high-ish. :) پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
CRaZy_rawR commented…
BatB is my least favorite. Aladdin is sorta low on my list. Frozen is toward the middle. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
audreybrooke commented…
That's pretty similar to my list, actually. :) پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Silverrose1991 said…
laugh
It's not an unpopular opinion, just a random headcanon, so I thought it'd fit here: I imagine that if all the DPs saw "Frozen" together, during the "Love is an Open Door" scene, all but Snow White, Cinderella and Aurora would believe Hans' act. They would just narrow their eyes and say "How can you believe this? Puh-lease, it's obviously not true love. The poor duckling is being tricked!"

Yeah, really random, I know... Ok, I'll just go now before you gain some of my weirdness.
mhs1025 commented…
That's not weird at all! That's real funny! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
324anna commented…
Hahaha I can imagine they would be able to sense it if it was true love! And when Anna met Kristoff, they would scream "HE'S THE ONE HE'S THE ONE!" and all the other DPs would be like "Really, THAT guy?" پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
scarletunicorn commented…
head canon accepted! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I think its an interesting idea hahaha پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک mhs1025 said…
Sensitive subject, but they should make a princess who is in poverty. Say she's been there her whole life or so, but suddenly, she meets her true love. Then, she moves into his castle with her family at the end of her movie. What do y'all think about that?
Silverrose1991 commented…
I don't think that's a sensitive subject at all. Actually, some of the DPs were sort of poor (Tiana, Belle, even Cinderella). Unless آپ mean one that is below the poverty threshold? پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
mhs1025 commented…
I'm just trying to make a point, that's all. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I agree with tygers eye. its a neat idea, but wouldn't fly with the general audience. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک PokeBelle said…
Apperently i'm one of few people who actually seem to like frozen being a fad XD Also i guess i like the lion king 2 better than the orrigional lion king a bit
scarletunicorn commented…
I prefer the sequel of the lion king, too پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
MalloMar commented…
I adore the سیکنڈ Lion King! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I like frozen too پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک mhs1025 said…
Not really DP related, but I think both versions of 101 Dalmatians are great!
MalloMar commented…
I haven't seen either one.... پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
mhs1025 commented…
^ <:O!!!!!!! آپ need to! They're awesome! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Diazdiaz95 said…
Apparently this is an unpopular opinion, I'm actually o.k., maybe even glad, that Pixar will probably make Toy Story 4. Again, I had no idea that this was an unpopular opinion until today, I remember how everyone I knew back when Toy Story 3 was released complained about the sad ending and how they wanted to see another Toy Story film.
Aang_Lite commented…
I didn't see it as a sad ending, مزید as a bittersweet one. Even though Andy didn't find joy in playing with toys anymore, he was able to give them to someone who was fully capable of living the adventure. And in the moment of transition, both where able to find joy, the young girl from the toys, and Andy from the sharing. It was incredibly beautiful and perfect ending in my opinion. That's kind of why I want it to just stay the way it is. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
324anna commented…
I agree with Aang_Lite. But it's not that weird to want another movie, it's just that it can only be worse than the others now, so... I think we always want another sequel, because we just don't seem to accept that it's over, even when deep inside we know it wouldn't be smart to make another movie. Maybe that's not what آپ think though. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
Agree with Aang_Lite. But seriously I don't get why they need to make another Toy Story sequel? I mean, does any of spin-offs and mini TV series aren't enough? پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک _CatWoman_ said…
I hate Belle's yellow dress. It's not golden and it looks like a shiny yellow material. I would've preferred it, if it stayed in it's time period as well as made it a more traditional color.
avatar_tla_fan commented…
I hate it too. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Tygers_Eye commented…
I'm not a پرستار of it either. Never was. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
That dress is nice but I like it مزید if the color is golden instead of bright yellow. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Tygers_Eye said…
I tend to like the princesses' "peasant dresses" better than their poofy, sparkly, gussied up ballgowns. They look more comfortable and practical, and in general I tend to just like the way they look based on their own merit better than the ballgowns.
scarletunicorn commented…
It's true, besides, they only wear their ball gowns for a short period of time, I don't think it reflects the "real" them. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
audreybrooke commented…
Me too! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
I like most of peasant dresses. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Tygers_Eye said…
Remember how Elsa wears her conservative coronation dress, opera gloves, and proper bun to symbol how formal, stifled, and repressed she feels? And then during "Let It Go" she changes into her revealing, gloveless, loose-braided ice outfit to symbolize how liberated she feels? And then she stays in that exact same outfit through the whole movie?

I kind of wish they had altered her outfit after Anna reveals the kingdom is Frozen over, or the guards come for her, or when she's in prison; some time over the movie to show she's lapsing back into her fear and self-repression. It doesn't have to be anything major; maybe a more conservative version of her ice dress, or a thicker cape or ice coat she wraps herself in to show how much more vulnerable she feels, or an ice crown and gloves to show she's reminding herself she's still responsible for her subjects and needs to reign her powers in again. Something.

I LOVE symbolism, and love how Elsa's two outfits symbolize her emotional states. Which is why I find it JARRING how Elsa stays in her symbolically liberated ice dress (without so much as a minor accessory alteration) even when she's once again burdened with her old anxiety and self-repression.

I personally would have liked it better if Elsa wore her coronation dress and gloves at the beginning, changed into her iconic ice dress during "Let It Go," then had a more conservative (or even ripped-frayed) version of her ice outfit after Anna reveals the kingdom's frozen over and she's back to stressing, then ends up back in her iconic ice dress at the very end when she regains her confidence and thaws winter.
scarletunicorn commented…
i think it would have been cool if she had made a new different dress for the end of the movie, one that symbolized the union of her new free self and how she accepted anna's love back into her life پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Silverrose1991 commented…
I LOVE your idea, Tygers. I can see Elsa drapped in a چادر, فرغل of ice as she chants her opressive mantra and her majestic palace grows red and jagged. I love Scarlet's idea even more. I was thinking the same thing the other day. It would be hardly unpractical to wear such a flashy, skintight dress everyday as she performs her queenly duties. Maybe a less conservative version of her coronation gown, without the high-collar and the gloves. Also, a different hairstyle, like this: link پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I love the symoblism in Frozen. That's why I love Frozen and think it's underrated. It DOES have artistic merit. And the dress idea sounds cool. You're on to something. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک scarletunicorn said…
How would you guys feel if Disney made an animal princess and added her to the line? (and yes, I know Nala and Kiara are technically princesses, but the point still stands...)
mhs1025 commented…
That'd be interesting. I doubt that'd happen, though. :P پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
ApplesauceDoctr commented…
Personally, I don't think I would like it too much. I mean...they're animals. :O پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
_CatWoman_ commented…
I don't like talking animals-- and technically speaking animals can't be princesses, because animals they have no monarchy... Yeah, I hate talking animals. Other people might like it though. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک scarletunicorn said…
Okay, what would you guys think if Disney openly made a princess with a mental/physical illness? Not something like Elsa which her ice powers were a "metaphor" for depression but actually the real deal, she even announces her condition at one point in the movie. Maybe we could have an autistic/aspergers princess. Please don't be angry! I myself suffer from depression and anxiety and have huge problems with my social skills, so I'm also speaking of this matter as an interest, I don't want to be insensitive.
Tygers_Eye commented…
I wouldn't mind a princess who behaves like someone on the spectrum; displays a lot of the same symptoms, seems to see the world differently, and uses her unique worldview and problem-solving skills to tell a مزید unique story and resolution to the plot. But if she's a Disney Princess, as in a ye olde tyme faery tale setting, that was before they had modern psychology and diagnostics. If she said, "Oh, I have Aspergers" the story would have to dive into how she knows that, who diagnosed her, how it affects her life, how it tends to affect other people like her, and who had time for that in Medieval Europe? No one, that's who. آپ fit in یا آپ didn't. If آپ wanted to fit in, آپ acted like everyone else. It was that simple. Again, I wouldn't mind someone who might display common characteristics, but I'd rather the movie kept it vague and focus on how it makes her a unique, relatable, likable person, not a character with that syndrom. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
_CatWoman_ commented…
I always wanted an oppressed princess, but I sort if got that with Mulan and Cinderella. As far as mental illnesses, anxiety is one I'd like to see, once in a while I think almost everyone has experienced anxiety, but like Tygers_Eye said, I wouldn't want people to get the wrong idea. So, I agree! Fantastic idea! پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
mhs1025 commented…
I'd like to see something like that. I suffer from anxiety myself. I'm not angry at all. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک mhs1025 said…
How would y'all feel about a Japanese princess? We already have a Chinese princess, so why not add a Japanese one in the mix?
mhs1025 commented…
I saw this in a wallpost a while back and I thought I'd share it. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Silverrose1991 commented…
^Then I guess I'm Latino too... Gisele Bundchen is Brazilian, after all, just like me. Thanks for clearing things up. That always confused me since I first heard of Latinos (which was on tumblr, I think). پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
incisron commented…
I'd love it if it were a good movie. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک _CatWoman_ said…
I only like about 4 or 5 of the DPs the rest don't really appeal to me, in fact I find most of the boring and cliché. I don't really like the franchise either, it's really just marketing to little girls with fluffy stuff, it sort of annoys me that they don't work harder at making the DPs more interesting and exciting for kids and adults.
Silverrose1991 commented…
I like quite a few of the DPs, but currently I only love a few. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
scarletunicorn commented…
same. i go through times where i really like one character but then all of them go into "you're okay" territory پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
MalloMar commented…
I like all of them, but as of now, none of them in particular interest me right now...Maybe I should feel bad? I AM into to non-DP فلمیں still. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک scarletunicorn said…
I'll say it; I find the Disney community here much more likable and welcoming than the Disney fandom on tumblr.
This place encourages open communication, friendly debate and it's a warm and welcoming place.

I mean, tumblr may seem cool at first, with the graphics and "funny jokes" and such, and i agree with the need of more diversity in Disney films, but then you get into the nasty side of tumblr where misinformation and emotional manipulation spreads around wildly, art theft and doxxing happens all the time, racism is rampant, immatureness is encouraged and people are overly angry and hostile and want you to be angry with everything and everybody must have the same disney opinions (you love frozen, you love tangled). If you have a slight commentary against a princess you're immediately hounded and it's forbidden to like something like Bambi or whatever over most of the Princess films. it sucks. Now the newest thing is that BH6 is bad because Hiro is biracial and Honey is a white latina, and according to tumblr biracial people are scum and there are only dark latinos...It's just sooo...*donks head*
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Silverrose1991 commented…
Wow. I dunno, my Disney tumblr is currently inactive, but I never really became a part of the fandom. I was just there. I thought everything was perfect, but reading this... It is sad. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Diazdiaz95 commented…
Well, I'm glad that i never joined tumblr. What is wrong with being biracial یا a white latino? Wow, I can see why آپ like it here better. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Tygers_Eye commented…
Yeah, the tumblr community is INFAMOUS for their immaturity, brutality, stupidity, blindly hypocritical demands for "social justice" (where they demand absolute open-mindedness about some minorities but bash others), and so forth. That's why I never got an account. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
AudreyFreak commented…
^^^^^agreed. even though I stay for my پسندیدہ blogs (because many of them are as cool as fanpop) they're a bunch of bullies and are PROUD of it. everything bad about the Disney fandom is pretty much displayed well in their behavior. just look at half the Walt Disney Confessions. tumblr hates white people (and nonwhites who do not hate white people like they do), men, Christians, straight people, anyone who is different from them, which is ironically the attitude the site was originally against! it's a bunch of spoiled little upper middle class brats who have nothing better to do. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Tygers_Eye said…
This is going to be really controversial, and I deeply apologize, but I have to get it off my chest somewhere and this seems like the safest environment.

Going off what scarletunicorn said above: As of Frozen and BH6, I feel like Disney is sort of cheating by making ethnic characters who tend to look and sound very white. As in, you would never know they were part of this ethnicity unless you were told, so most casual viewers (which is most of their audience) would just assume they're white. Yet, by making them ethnic on paper, they can brush off people accusing them of imbalanced racial representation by saying "Kristoff is Sami and Honey is Latina, so pipe down."

And I know this opens a whole can of worms. I'm not saying an ethnic person has to have darker pigment. I'm not saying characters have to be obvious stereotypes and caricatures of their respective ethnicity and/or culture. I'm not saying they're less valid or human or likable/relatable/interesting by being ethnic characters who happen to be pale and blonde. I'm not saying that, because I don't think it's true. Pale, blonde Sami and Latina people exist and deserve representation, acknowledgement and validation as well.

However, from a story standpoint... since these character's ethnicity or cultural background never comes up in the film, is never explored (we don't exactly see Kristoff's home village or Honey's family life), and doesn't seem to influence their personalities or worldviews one way or the other to the point that the filmmakers could literally just SAY "X is white" and it would change nothing (except maybe Honey's VA's delivery of the lines, but then you could reason that Honey is very culturally accepting and rolls her r's because she's using Hiro's correct Japanese pronunciation)... I wonder what's the point of making a character who is X in name only other than so they can point and say, "See? We have a character that is X, so stop hounding us."

I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that's not their intention. Maybe I'm the one that's racist for saying it. All I do know is that, MUCH LIKE how I feel Disney keeps playing both sides of the fence by harping on how love-at-first-sight is stupid but love after a day-and-a-half is genuine, I kind of feel like Disney is playing both sides of the fence here.

Again, I apologize if what I just said is offensive or off the mark. That's just how I see it.
Silverrose1991 commented…
I actually agree. Disney is trying to look for shortcuts, not actually exposing races/ethniticies in their movies, just pretending they are. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Silverrose1991 commented…
Because, honestly, the average viewer is not going to read every tidbit of information about the movie and they won't look for connection/analyze when watching. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
MalloMar commented…
I know what آپ mean. There are such unique and interesting cultures they could explore, and there is so much Disney COULD be doing with them. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک scarletunicorn said…
Of the future Disney films to come, Giants is the one that looks/sounds the worst. I don't know why people on tumblr and Ultimate Disney forum are so looking forward to that, since it seems Disney trying to do its own Shrek/How To Train Your Dragon, it won't work.
MalloMar commented…
So far, I'm not interested in Giants. Maybe it'll surprise me. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
CRaZy_rawR commented…
Same as Taryn. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Silverrose1991 commented…
Same as all three of you. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
AudreyFreak commented…
tumblr has a pretty huge Disney fandom, I guess is why. and they tend to LOVE CG films. they're probably still hyped from Frozen and assume this will be similar/as good as their پسندیدہ Disney movie ever. I'm looking آگے to it, just not extremely so because we don't really know about it well enough yet. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Aang_Lite said…
I enjoy Tiana's character more when she's a frog than when she's human. We see a lot more of her sass and no nonsense attitude, as well as how quick she is on her feet. And we finally get to see her relax and have fun for a while. Plus, she's adorable as a frog :P
Sk8er__grl commented…
Yay! Agreed! Well, they are both sort of equal for me, because I love seeing how passionate Tiana always is as a human, but when she's a frog I love her scene when she's out smarting the people who try killing her with Tiana's secret humor. As آپ said, she's adorable as a frog! XD پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Tygers_Eye commented…
I think that's what the filmmakers intended. We definitely get to see مزید of her good qualities and character development since she didn't have time for that as a human. I just think it's a shame since they have her SUCH a great design as a human, yet she spends most of the movie as a frog. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
MaidofOrleans commented…
(stupid enter button grrr) and I'm just like... what? پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک scarletunicorn said…
i'm tired of seeing Elsa being shipped with everybody At first I was okay with it, but nowadays it's getting out of hand: Her and Jack Frost, Hiccup, Hans, Loki, Tadashi, all those boring Gary Stus/OCs, her own fucking sister!!!!...I think the fandom should celebrate the fact that she's single instead of portraying her like she's desperate for anything at this rate.
Aang_Lite commented…
The thing is, the movie ends with her not really forming an emotional bond with anyone. Sure, she learns control of her powers, but after years of separating herself from the world she never really forms a bond with anyone that shows she no longer afraid of hurting people. I mean, does she even have a friend? The movie doesn't really give a lot of closure when it comes to her emotional state, so I think it makes sense for people to try and fill that gap with a relationship. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
Yeah I find the ships annoying. The Elsanna ships are just disgusting and an insult to the two characters I love most. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Sparklefairy375 commented…
Uh, I can't stand with all of those shippers. Especially with her own sister, ew. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Tygers_Eye said…
I think I've said this before, but I find The Little Mermaid and Prince Eric to be very phonocentric. For those who don't know, phonocentrism is the attitude that spoken language is superior to sign and written. This can extend toward people; that people who talk out loud are better than those who are deaf, mute, or sign.

And boy does Eric have this attitude in abundance. After Ariel saves him, all he gets out of the encounter is: "She had the most beautiful voice," and all he remembers about her is, "That voice! I can't get it out of my head." And we SEE Ariel from Eric's perspective as he wakes up, so I don't buy the "He couldn't see what she looked like so he had nothing else to go on" excuse. Even if he can't make out her minute features, we can still see her warm presence, adoring eyes, loving smile, and felt her tender touch.

In fact, he even recognizes her when he sees her again after she becomes human. However, the SECOND he leans she can't speak, he suddenly loses interest. "Oh, then you couldn't be who I thought." Oh, I'm sorry. Ariel looking like her, smiling like her, having the same adoring expression as her, and the same small gentle fingers as her doesn't matter, only the VOICE matters. No voice? No interest.

And you can argue that he starts to fall for Ariel over the two days they spend together, but she remains his second choice. He continues to play his recorder, fixating on the voice. Which leads to Grimsby telling him perhaps the best lesson in the whole movie: "If I may say, far better than any dream girl is one of flesh and blood; one warm and caring, and right before your eyes."

However, Eric visibly gives up on the voice with a heavy heart, and is clearly SETTLING for Ariel (the girl of flesh and blood, warm and caring, and right before his eyes). So much so that the SECOND he hears the voice a few moments later, he forgets his resolve and RUSHES to see who it belongs to. I guess the real girl is second choice to the voice after all.

Even after Eric's enchantment is removed and he sees Ariel again, what is his first reaction: "You can talk! You're The One! It was you all the time!" Oh, I see. When she was just a real girl who looked and acted like the one who rescued him, she was his second choice. Now that she has THAT VOICE that clearly means more to him than anything, SUDDENLY she's "The One."

The voice could have literally belonged to anyone in the crowd and he would have been "in love" with that girl because the voice matters to him more than the girl does.

This movie is hideously phonocentric.
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Diazdiaz95 commented…
I agree and it always bothered me that they don't just write to each other. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Aang_Lite commented…
I disagree. The reason why Eric is so obsessed with the voice is because it's the only thing he can connect back to the girl who saved him. Even if Ariel looked like the image he saw while almost unconscious it wouldn't make sense for her to be the same girl because she can't speak. It's not better یا worse, there's no judgment یا any phonocentric theme. There's just the basic fact that Areil and the girl who saved him cannot be one and the same. And I think it makes perfect sense for him to be obsessed with this mystery girl. I mean she saved his life, his very existence, wouldn't آپ want to find the person who did that and thank them too? And It also makes sense for him to say that she's the One because he's likely had the suspicion the whole time that she was but it would just make no sense for who to be. But now suddenly that she has a voice of course it would make sense, not because she's better for having it, but because no logical leaps have to be made. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
The voice is مزید like symbolism in the story than the actual thing. Hey, it's better than falling in love only becuase of her looks and because she was PUUURTY. I don't really see Eric as settling. I think it was rather open-minded of him to respect Ariel and take her around anyways but he's also a romantic at heart. آپ could tell that he really did like her but was just unsure cause he was confused. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک scarletunicorn said…
I know this is an unpopular opinion but after Aladdin the only film of the Renaissance that I like is Tarzan. From Lion King to Mulan there's always something in these films that avoids me from fully enjoying them.
However I like Mermaid, Down Under, Beauty and Aladdin, but the ones that come afterwards...:P
Tygers_Eye commented…
Why is that? پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
_CatWoman_ commented…
I actually only like two "renaissance" films, which is Mulan and Tarzan, that are actually post renaissance. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
scarletunicorn commented…
Tyger- There's elements in every film that stop from fully enjoying the film altogether. In Lion King there's waaay too many elements to count (plotholes, annoying characters, dumb humor...), I can't fully enjoy Pocahontas without thinking about how it's changing history and basically telling lies to an ignorant movie going audience, Hunchback depresses me a lot, I don't like the characters in Hercules and I hate the humor in Mulan. I may seem picky, but مجموعی طور پر these are BIG elements in these films, and that مجموعی طور پر stops me from enjoying them. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
Hunchback is depressing but I live all the other Renaissance films. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک wanderingchild7 said…
1. The only character I "like" from Frozen is Hans. (just because before he was ruined he was the only normal character)
2. Both Rapunzel and Anna annoy me with their forced humour and bubblyness.
3.. I don't really like the music of Tangled and Frozen. I think it's too pop-ish and lacks the magic and uniqueness of the older soundtracks. But it's catchy anyway.
4.. I prefer 2D to CGI.
5.. I think Maleficient is a horrible movie.
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avatar_tla_fan commented…
All of these except for #1 are pretty مقبول opinions, especially 3-5. But anyways, I disagreewith all of these, but we all have our own opinions. :P پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
_CatWoman_ commented…
I hate Hans, he's so rushed and flawed. Then I agree with آپ with most everything else, except I do like Let It Go. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
I also prefer 2D to CGI and Tangled's soundtrack is too pop-ish, not that classicness that other soundtracks have. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک Tygers_Eye said…
After I say that I don't like CGI, I get really annoyed with the people that jump to explain that they don't really care about visuals, just the story. If "STORY" was the only component of a movie, I'd agree. But films are a visual medium. You have to sit and stare at something for an hour or two or three; especially animation since the visuals are constructed from nothing. Ideally it's a constructed world and characters that you find pleasing to look at instead of something you find dull, ugly, unnerving, or an eyesore.

I don't like the way CGI looks, especially characters. If I have to sit and stare at it for an hour and a half, the unpleasing visuals are going to pull me out of the story and experience. I can't be invested in characters when I can't even stand to look at them, or if the way they move or the way they look when they're wet remind me of living dolls (which is a huge phobia of mine).

If "STORY" is literally all that matters, then read a book or a screenplay. Since it's just words on a paper, the story is literally all that matters. But in visual and auditory mediums where moving pictures and accompanying voice work and music are put in front of us, I don't know about you, but it has to be a picture that I actually like to look at.
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Silverrose1991 commented…
(0) Agreed, though I don't inherently dislike CGI. It can be stunning if done right, just like hand-drawn can be mediocre یا an eyesore, imo. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
Diazdiaz95 commented…
I agree about visuals being very important. Although I don't mind the look of CGI they're are animated films that I cant stand to watch because I hate their اندازی حرکت so I completely understand you, it isn't just about the story especially with an animated film. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
disnerdtobe commented…
Well کہا tygres! I totally agree. I was gonna post something like this, but آپ beat me to it. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک mhs1025 said…
After watching Pocahontas recently, I realized how greedy Ratcliffe is. And, I also realized all he ever thinks about is himself.
Silverrose1991 commented…
Wow. آپ just realized that now? He's the villain. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
_CatWoman_ commented…
Well, DUH. And he's not even that complex... I fail to see how this is an unpopular opinion, not that your other post were either. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک
incisron commented…
Leave her alone, everybody. پہلے زیادہ سے سال ایک