Of the people who voted for Belle, what do you consider her flaws to be?

i think belle is the least flawed. which is not a good thing.

jillywinkles...you keep forgetting to add mulan.

why belle??

I think Ariel because shes too curious for her own good lol

thats why i love her though!!!

i think its Merida,but she´s not here

Merida, Belle, and Tiana in my opinion. They have a lot of flaws that don't line up with good traits. Ariel is naturally curious, but isn't completely cutthroat like Merida is--willing to physically hurt someone to get her own way. Ariel can disagree with someone without wanting to hurt them.

Ariel is not as conceited as Belle is. Belle looks down on everyone around her. Ariel saves more lives than Belle does, since Belle just does a lot of "secondary character" presence with the "falling in love" thing. Belle is not exactly the main character in B&TB. The beast is more of the central character and protagonist. And as for saving lives, it is Chip that saves Belle after Gaston locks her and Maurice up in the basement during the climax of the film. I almost forgot to mention this, but Belle is "Little Miss Nosy" and goes snooping around in other people's stuff after receiving explicit warnings not to do so. Ariel never did that kind of "low" thing at all.

Tiana is a workaholic, a hypercritical nag, and she too easily throws temper tantrums and yells at others when she doesn't get what she wants. I have a hard time sharing space with people like that. They are high maintenance, and they jump down your throat for trivial things that should not even matter.

Even Jasmine is better than Merida, Belle, and Tiana. For all her sass, Jasmine is more compassionate than those three. However, in my opinion, Ariel upstages Jasmine by being the main character in her own movie, and by saving more lives than Jasmine does.

Let's see...she's irresponsible enough to leave the mermaid dance at the party at the castle. Against her father a lot and leave her family for a man she just met. Untrust her family and friends, but trust the evil sea witch that she know she was evil (what the heck!). And the worst thing that...after the disaster happen as the consequence of what she did, she still self-centered enough to cares with her happiness only, and let her father go.
That's more than enough to me to say she's really flawed. Others have flaws too but not as worse as Ariel was.

^ Let's see.... Ariel FORGOT the concert because her father has a "concert" scheduled every other day.

Ariel loves her family and says directly to Ursula... 'If I become human, I will never be with my father or sisters again." Ariel does know what this choice might mean. But Triton basically just decided that Ariel "has no thoughts of her own" and Ariel is his "property" to make "sing" at his disposal and do whatever the heck he wants!!! DOES that sound right? What the heck!!!

The worst thing is that Ariel ACTUALLY LEARNS from her mistake, and fights Ursula, by choke holding her, and yanking on her hair during the last battle, because she was upset that Ursula TRICKED her dad, Triton. Ariel IS NOT self-centered. She saved Flounder, she saved Sebastian, and she saved her dad, not just her love-interest. Does Belle save her love interest? No, she reveals his residence to her stalker ( gaston), which leads to a mob attacking his house, which leads to the stalker killing him!!

And Triton let Ariel get married to Eric OF HIS OWN FREE WILL. Nobody told him to do that.

Merida is WAY MORE flawed than Ariel will ever be. Merida could not contain herself in her anger, and she ruined someone's physical body and life, in an attempt to manipulate their mind.

^If her father has a concert that scheduled in every other day, she was supposed to know about the schedule. Except...if she pretend to forgot about the concert and she escape and go away found human things for her collection instead.

If she truly loves her family she won't make them sad with leave them. But yeah, her love and passionate for human-related is bigger.
You blame Triton with this case? He has a REASON to forbid her daugther to come near to human world. He already lost his wife because of evil humans, he has trauma, and he didn't want the same thing happen with his daugther. I don't denying that Triton is too strict and he didn't want to hear what his daughter want, but it's understandable and he has negative prejudice towards human world. While Ariel just can't accept her father's decision. They both are miscommunicating and misunderstanding each other.

How can she consider to "learn from her mistake" with fight Ursula? That doesn't makes sense for me. She just said "I'm sorry dad, I didn't mean to." She just say apologize, but didn't learn at all. And Ursula actually was defeated by Eric which was able to finish off her by ramming its splintered bow into her. So she isn't the only one who saves them, she did it together with Eric instead.
Belle reveals the beast's residence to Gaston as she want to prove that her father isn't crazy, as he told the villagers about the beast and castle but nobody believe him and though he's crazy, also to prove that the beast is really exist. Gaston later provocate the villagers that the beast is a monster as he's jealous with Belle who loves a "monster" instead of him that was a cassanova.

Triton let Ariel get married with Eric after he saw her staring with Eric who was fainted at the beach and she looks very sad. He realize that Ariel really loves him and that's why he let her go. He was tried to be selfless and change his mind about negative things about humans.

At first yeah Merida is more flawed, she couldn't contain herself in her anger but it's because Elinor always forced her to do what she want. She already said she refuse the betrothal before but her mother didn't listen, and her mother only cares with the kingdom's tradition. And she really angry after her mother throw her bow to fire and told her to not doing things that she love (archery). She didn't mean to curse her mother, what she want is just spell that change her fate, but the witch gave her poisoned cake instead. She didn't know about it, she just follow the witch's order to gave it to her mother and she promised that her fate would be changed. But yeah, later she realize it and she said sorry. She cries, proves that she really regret to what she does. That's what I consider to be "learn of the mistake".
Merida and Ariel are almost equally flawed, but how Merida grows with her experience and mistakes is what makes her better in my perspective.

Pocahontas is definitely the first to have anything close to flaws in canon (indecisiveness, lacking direction in her life, etc.) though Mulan is the first to have explicit character flaws that need to be dealt with as part of her arc.

@Sparklefairy: Thank you for providing your perspective. But I disagree with you that Ariel "did nothing" in the final battle with Ursula and "didn't learn from her mistake" as you put it. Ariel did learn from her mistake. If Ariel had not yanked on Ursula's hair and tried to choke her-- Ursula would have fired a direct hit on Eric, and Eric would have died, leaving Ursula to STILL rule the ocean. Ariel did something critical in the final fight. Ariel caused Ursula to misfire on her eels, thus enabling Eric to get to a shipwreck in enough time to kill Ursula. Since when is teamwork in defeating a villain a bad thing? Phillip worked with the fairies to kill Maleficent, and nobody discredits him for having help, the way they do Ariel!

I disagree with you about how you seem to think Triton's strictures on Ariel are not as "strict" as Elinor's upon Merida. Here is where I think Merida misses the "point" and becomes more flawed than Ariel. Merida destroys something precious that her mother owns--- the same action that King Triton did. Even if Elinor destroyed Merida's bow-- Merida STARTED IT, by destroying her mother's physical property first. That's where I do not believe Merida's tears are as sincere up on the hill after she mends the tapestry. If Merida truly cared about her family, she really would not have "changed" her fate by seeking to "change her mother." Merida should have done what Ariel did. When Ariel disagreed with her father, and they reached that penultimate stalemate in viewpoint-- Ariel left home ( which is perfectly all right). Ariel chose not to reside in the ocean anymore, where she would continually bicker with her father.. Merida should have done likewise. Merida should have changed herself- -- or left home - and not resorted to changing her mother's perspective for her.

As for Triton, I disagree with you about "his laws of protection" which were very damaging to Ariel. Instead of working out his grief over his wife's demise, Triton became a "hermit" and FORCED his entire kingdom to live out a repressive, scared existence, believing that war with the humans was always eminent. I'm glad Ariel fought him every inch of the way. Triton allowed his grief over his wife's death to totally cloud his intellect!!! Triton no longer THOUGHT anything through anymore. He just flew into rages!


Also, I totally differ from you because I don't see "leaving home" as "a crime" which is something you and the rest of the Ariel hater fanbase seem to constantly bring up. I find staying at home ( all the time) with continual bitter feuds ongoing with a parent to be persona non grata--- there IS NO SOLUTION if each side digs in their heels. Then it is a GOOD idea to leave that situation! Leaving home IS NOT BAD. Staying home is ONLY GOOD for people who wish to continue fighting their parents until whomever gets the upper hand. That is what happened in Brave. Merida used unscrupulous means to "win" the fight she had with her mother, instead of bowing out gracefully, and leaving home.

From my perspective, just because Merida later "has regrets" and starts "sobbing" because she is at last AFRAID that she has lost her mother permanently... does not mean that she has " learned from her mistake." She is just sorry that she took things sooooo far to that extreme. In the end, Merida doesn't marry, she gets a life without a suitor, and it is Elinor who has learned not to "demand things anymore" from Merida.

I still would choose Ariel, because in the end, Ariel brings the human world and the mermaid world together in a celebratory finale. At the end of Brave, the suitors are sent packing, and Merida gets her singledom and more free time spent roaming the wilderness with her mom. Not much has changed for Merida. The only thing that has changed is that Elinor believes Merida should stay single until she's "ready for love."

I feel that Ariel matures in her story arc; as she is growing up, she makes mistakes, she apologizes for them, she leaves home, and she starts a new life-- something all people do. They eventually grow up, leave home, get married, or do both. That's normal! Merida instead chooses to remain a child in Peter Pan Neverland Syndrome. Merida goes right back to where she was at the beginning of the film. When the credits roll, Merida is still single. She's still shooting arrows. She's still riding horses and climbing cliffs. Merida doesn't do ANYTHING DIFFERENT ( similar to Peter Pan), and simply stays in her comfort zone. Sure, people are welcome to do that. Merida has fans who think that staying home forever is a good idea. Peter Pan has fans, too. Sure. Okay. But that's where I'm definitely not a Merida fan or a Peter Pan fan. I find their repetitive lives absolutely boring.

Belle is at least partially to blame because of her "big mouth." Because Belle decides that she needs to prove Gaston wrong, she goes for the magic mirror-- unintentionally starting Gaston towards rallying the mob of angry neighbors that Belle has "openly sneered at" for years. Belle pissed off her neighbors, gets herself-quasi-kidnapped, comes back-- and gets no respect from her neighbors because she never gave them any. And what does happen thanks to Belle's supercilious attitude? The mob descends on her "lover's" residence, and Gaston succeeds in fatally stabbing Belle's beast in the back. It is the enchantress who saves the prince, because having the prince turned beast "fall in love and earn love in return" was what she uttered as the rules of the spell. Belle actually weeps over a dead beast. At least, Ariel didn't arrive so late to save Eric from Ursula's trident shots, and Ariel teamed up with him to get rid of Ursula. Belle, meanwhile, is basically a bystander and does so little to protect the beast. Belle inadvertently dooms her lover. I'd do more to protect the ones I love, and Ariel does that. Belle doesn't meet that standard for me at all.

^Then when she show to learn from her mistake? I just don't see it. I never hear anyone say Ariel learns from mistake, except you are. I don't saying that Ariel did nothing in final battle. Also, I never say that a teamwork in defeating a villain is a bad thing. I just told you that she isn't defeat Ursula all alone, she did it with Eric helping her instead. Eric has dominate role to fight and defeated Ursula than Ariel.

So you seems to think that parents who strictly raised their child are all wrong? And you think that a child who was always against their parents and disobeyed them did the right thing? Sorry but I strongly disagree. As I said before, that's called as negative prejudice. Triton was never seen anything good about human world since his wife's death and it's understandable. He's broken and depressed with his wife's death and he forbid every merpeoples to go to human world again, because he as a king, have a responsibility to protect them, included his daughters. No wonder why he gets mad when realize her daughter want to go to the world that he though it was dangerous. Sometimes we have to look at a parent's perspective rather than always to look at the child's perspective.

I never state that leave a home is a crime. Ariel isn't the only one who leave home. Some of others like Jasmine and Rapunzel did it too. But I don't like the reason why she leave home. Because she's the type of the-person-who-want-to-got-all-that-she-wa­nt. She seems likely to don't care the reason why anyone isn't allow her to got what she want. She is determined to do everything to got all she want, no wonder why she even choose the risky option with ask for Ursula's help, she's just very reckless.
Leaving home isn't the only choice to do when you have a strong arguments with your parents. I'd rather stay away from parents for a while, each other, and avoid to have conversation in the anger. If we still have conversation with anger we could be accidentally decided something that was wrong. That's what happen with Ariel and Triton.
Yeah this is a good idea to leave the bad situation, but it would be better if we can find the way to solve the bad situation :)

"Merida used unscrupulous means to "win" the fight she had with her mother, instead of bowing out gracefully, and leaving home."
What a strongly bad prejudice. Merida is actually leave home for briefly, she is riding her horse to the forest instead. She just have no choice to solve her problem, and she still in anger and as I said before, she made wrong decision with the witch that utilize her bad situation, to accidentally curse her mother with a poisoned cake.

I'm confuse how you said that Merida didn't learn from mistake but Elinor did? Merida did learn from mistake, she change her self, she learns to act nicely and understanding with her mother. Elinor learns to not "demand things anymore" with Merida like you said. Although the ending of Brave when both of them are change to be better, only showed for a while and that's why some of Merida haters felt she didn't learn, as the ending is so subtle, the ending only shows her to be closer with her mother.

It's your choice if you still prefer Ariel over Merida. But I don't get how Ariel brings human and mermaid world together. How?? Just because she marry a human? That doesn't mean she unite both worlds. Nah, Ariel's daughter did it instead, she unite both worlds together in a big family instead with a marriage. As I said before not much changes of Merida as the movie didn't show her changes much. But they're actually still changes. Besides Merida and Elinor, the suitors and their fathers are realize that the suitors cannot be forced to enggage with someone that they don't love, their fathers later let them to find their love, thanks to Merida that take a speech in front of them.

Then I also feels that Merida, at least is way more mature, grows up, make mistakes, apologizes, and starts a new life, a more peaceful and harmony life with her family. Then what's the problem if she's still single, still did the same activity that she did from before? Change isn't always about we did drastically different things from what we did before. Merida is still a same person but with a better personality than before. While Ariel completely drastically change her self physically like; being human, have a new life as human, etc, but she still has same personality like before (cares with her happiness). And it's really not my business if you hates Merida or Peter Pan as well.

There's a reason why Belle have to proves Gaston's wrong and told about the beast's existence. She gets upset when Gaston and the villagers are seems likely to always intimidate her and Maurice. Her to be a freak because her hobby and Maurice to be crazy because of his job as an inventor. They did it with the jerk Gaston as the lead, as the impact of Belle rejects him. They never respect Belle and her father, no wonder she gets mad. Blame Gaston with the mob who attack beast's castle. He provocates them. And Belle comes late to the castle as she and her father were locked in basement of her house by Gaston, later Chip comes and chops the basement door apart with Maurice's machine, allowed her to going back to the castle. It's not her fault at all to late to save the beast, the situation that prevent her to come as soon as possible. Ariel didn't late to save Eric as she didn't prevented by anyone like Belle. It's because the situation that not allow Belle to do more, but she still save the beast with her pure love that broke the spell. If your standart for a princess is the one that always arguing with parent and self-centered, and always need to leave home, yeah Ariel is qualify enough with your standart and Belle not.

@Sparklefairy: I'm sorry we fundamentally disagree. I don't agree with your statements. I don't see how Merida learned anything, since most of the movie played out as "Elinor learns the lesson, not Merida."

And continually telling me that I take the perspective of a child, and not an adult, is absurd. Have you ever been abused by your parent? Did they destroy something you loved "in the name of protecting you?" I completely fail to see a parent as a protector when they seek to destroy personal property and stomp out every opposition that they find. This does not "give me a negative prejudice." Triton is, legitimately-- a bad parent. He is ABUSIVE. .You can take his side all of the time, but I will continually say the same thing to you, reminding you that your reasoning doesn't make any sense from the perspective of one who has been abused.

This is a true statement:

"Merida used unscrupulous means to "win" the fight she had with her mother, instead of bowing out gracefully, and leaving home."

I will stand by it every step of the way.

Melody is a brat who only cared about vilifying her mother and running away. She did not bring any worlds together. She only brought down the "the wall." Ariel already had a working relationship with her dad before Melody was even born, and it was Triton that Ariel went straight to--- to try to get her daughter back. Melody is a piece of bratty work, blaming everyone around her for their "misunderstanding of her" when she should have taken a page from Ariel, and asked "the real intention" of the wall. Did Melody do that??? NOPE. She just snuck off, and then blamed Ariel when things didn't go well. And then when Melody realized how she had unintentionally given Morgana free reign--- I didn't feel sorry for Melody at all. NOT ONE BIT. I think Melody is one of the worst of Disney's "kid" characters. She's unkind, manipulative, a blamer, and simply out for herself.

As for this statement: If your standart for a princess is the one that always arguing with parent and self-centered, and always need to leave home, yeah Ariel is qualify enough with your standart and Belle not.
If your standart for a princess is the one that always arguing with parent and self-centered, and always need to leave home, yeah Ariel is qualify enough with your standart and Belle not.

No, Belle is not my standard at all. A supercilious girl who thinks the world should hand her "an adventure" on a silver platter is not someone I will ever admire. Belle did not work at all for her adventure. "It was dropped at her feet" because her father got kidnapped, and Belle was "waiting for her father's invention to win the contest, make them famous, and give them a whole new life," remember? Belle is just sitting around wasting time. She reads fantasy novels and whines about her neighbors. Do I love her for that? Heck no!!!

And by trying to shame me by calling everything I say "a negative prejudice" --- is simply not going to make me think your way. Merida is more self-centered than Ariel is. You're going to continually hear that as an Ariel hater. Merida never grows up; to quote Fergus, Merida's dad-- Merida doesn't marry because she wants to remain at the level of a child "riding through the glen shooting arrows into the sunset"; and Merida doesn't change very much, if at all. Merida regresses right back to where she was at the beginning of Brave.

With you taking the sides of all kinds of "abusive characters": Belle, Elsa, Merida, Melody, King Triton, etc.... It's small wonder that I will disagree with you. All of these characters mistreat other characters just to have their own way. I'm not a fan of them. I never will be. Slander me if you want. I will keep on reminding you of the fact that these characters aren't nice people and DO NOT BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. It's fine if you love Elsa, Belle, Merida, Melody, and King Triton. But If you continually decide to promote Ariel hatred you will continually get this type of negative blowback response from me. I will oppose you every step of the way.

^You definitely failed to got what I mean. And you're just being so salty and catty with any of opinions that are opposite with yours, then you attack those who have the bad opinions about Ariel. You didn't only do that with me, you did it with EVERYONE who say something negative about Ariel. at least in Fanpop.

I think Melody is one of the worst of Disney's "kid" characters. She's unkind, manipulative, a blamer, and simply out for herself.
How funny. You hate Melody for her did the same thing like Ariel did. Melody is definitely a copy of Ariel. Her personality resembles Ariel a lot. She's running away from home as the consequence of Ariel lying to her and hiding biggest fact of her life. Instead of talk and explain all with her daughter, all Ariel did is just order and rule her life. Ariel is just same as Triton as a parent and raise the child. Melody never blaming anyone, instead she often blaming herself, like for being accidentally destroy her own birthday party and blame herself for being "not so good princess". Like Merida, Melody is also being utilized with Morgana as she have no choice and she's surrounded in a bad situation. But unlike Ariel, Melody at least trying to be a good daughter for her parents, something that Ariel never did with Triton.

Belle never want an adventure like her adventure with beast. All she want is a change of her boring life, full of annoying villagers and Gaston, she just need peoples who can accept her for who she is. She's not like Ariel who was dare enough to choose a risky option but she's more like imaginative kind of person. She's more likely to stay in a comfort zone, but at least it's better than you have to choose extreme and risky option that made everything's worse, for going to an adventure IMHO.

I would NEVER been a fan of Ariel, too. I found what she did is so terrible, that's it. You literally never care with good traits of Belle, Merida, Melody, Elsa, and Triton as well, you seems to focus with their bad traits and use it to attack those who are fans of them. They didn't abusive at all.
As you said you will give negative blowback response with all of Ariel hatred, look how you just didn't want to hear anyone saying someting negative about her. Admit it. I also will oppose you every step of the way. No wonder why Ariel is your favorite princess. You are resembles her attitude and personality a lot.

^The way you went after me about Elsa when you first joined Fanpop??? Remember that??? That told me exactly what kind of person you are. I will never think that Merida is a good person. She is a terrible daughter, and I would never raise a girl who would poison her own mother to get her own way. Much as you think Ariel is horrible, there are people like me ( who *gasp*) are very much like her--- and do not respond kindly to a continual "put-down" of Ariel's personality and constant praise of Merida. Fanpop users have collectively hated Ariel for years, and there is only Belle worship, Tiana worship, and Merida worship. It's about time SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING about how awful those princesses are... INSTEAD of Ariel being the "worst" in every category, it's about time someone said that these other princesses/girls "are not good role models" either!!!

While you're passing judgement on me...let me just say that you act just like Elsa, Belle, Merida, King Triton, and Melody--- you're again blaming me for everything I say to you. You've "told me off" ever since you joined Fanpop, because I DARED to DEFEND Ariel from your nasty outbursts and attacks. Just as I defended Ariel from the nastiest attacks from other users, I will continue to defend her no matter what you seem to think. No. This isn't going to be any fun for you, either. It's a compliment from you, that I am more like Ariel, because she saves the people she loves, she goes after her dreams, she falls in love, she rights her wrongs, she LEAVES HOME, she acts like a NORMAL person.

I resemble Ariel's attitude and personality a lot? Well, thanks. <3 I don't whine about my neighbors. I don't turn my parent into a bear because I can't get my own way. I don't blame my mother for protecting me from an evil sea witch ( Morgana), but I am totally against xenophobia. I don't shoot my sister in the chest with ice when I get angry, and I don't want to live with my parents forever. My parents are going to die. It's sad, but so, so true. This discussion has brought clarity to me, and solidified Ariel as my second favorite princess even more than it may have even used to be. And that's a good thing.

I think we've reached our stalemate. I have nothing more to say to you that I haven't already said.

^ Laura why do you attack people simply for having a different opinion about Ariel than you, chill out. Sparklefairy375 did not attack Ariel she expressed her opinion, how is that an attack on Ariel? If it is then what about your "attacks" on Tiana? She can have her own opinion.

You're such a toxic part of fanpop starting arguments needlessly, getting offended and attacking others for their opinion, and then ripping on another user for doing nothing to you. A fictional character's evaluation hardly calls for all that, certainly doesn't call for someone to get offended.

wavesurf tone yourself the fuck down!!!! seek mental help you're giving me brain cancer with your comments

@Wavesurf: Nah, same to you. How you are attack anyone who say something bad about Ariel and how you trying to bash anyone who are fans of Belle, Merida, Tiana, Elsa, Melody, and Triton, already show what kind of person you are. And also...I would never leave my parents and family for a man, and I won't sell anything precious from me to a man. That's really not me sorry. You are a lot like Ariel as you are self-centered enough much like her.

Again, I told you that I did NOT blame you. All you said are the overdefending about Ariel and you think all of her act is right included the wrong decision she made. You are already blinded with your strongly hatred towards those characters that I already mentioned above. All I said is fact that Ariel isn't always right, and those characters aren't all wrong. That's it. I'm done.