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Looking Forward, Game of Thrones Season 6 Part 1: Jon Snow… Let’s Pretend He Stays Dead

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Greetings all ye great and loyal Watchers of the Internet Wall of Ice and Rock, and thank you for joining us at your growing corner of internet bliss.
A man’s name is Oz. And it’s off-season Looking Forward time which means Unsullied speculation at its worst.
Many of us are well aware (spoilers) that the title of this fine article is highly unlikely due to this, this, this, this, and this. *
But because it would make so much sense, and the fact that we have a considerable amount of time to kill, let’s pretend, just for the hell of it, that Snow stays dead…
It’s been mulled over, discussed, analyzed, dissected, theorized, prophesized, and verbalized by everyone and their respective grandmothers. And a man is not going to introduce or rock flip any valuable evidence that has not yet been overturned.
anthology attempts to make sense of the possibility that Jon, in elementary terms, simply never gets back up.
for all of you Wall newbies (Wallbies?): You have entered the realm of the Unsullied; where show fact and written fiction are separated by a man with only a television and a pricey, yet worthy, subscription to Home Box Office. My oath states that no books may be read until the conclusion of the show, and a man is nothing if he is not an oathkeeper.
As Unsullied, we must dine on what is served by buffet curators David and Dan only.
Sue of the House Fury does NOT allow a man to read any spoilery content produced, written and reported on this here fine site. This sucks a hierarchal big one yet remains justified. The Sullied/spoiler reading contributors even have their own communication channel that yours truly was strategically left out of.
However, what I am aware of I will trustfully disclose to you. Watchers did break the story of Kit arriving in Belfast and avoiding that was an impossible task.
Fun Fact and Final Notice: Jon is undeniably dead. You saw it as well as I did. The viewing masses witnessed the 248½ stabbings (Olly gets credit for the ½) Jon suffered. Even a bastard hottie with a man-bun losing pools of dark blood can’t sustain life (at least not without the immediate help of Rapunzel and her glowing locks, and she ain’t in this show).
There is also the faction of protectors of the secret story: The show runners and Kit himself have attempted to put all doubt to rest by saying, on multiple occasions (and to the POTUS), that Jon is indeed dead. I have no reason to believe they are lying.
In my logically minded yet uneducated Unsullied opinion, there has never been any doubt that Jon is dead. The popular inquiry, “is Jon Snow really dead?” continues to be the wrong question… an ineffective smokescreen question that the mass show-viewing audience has been led to believe is the appropriate inquisition.
The correct inquiry is, “will Jon be resurrected?” Let’s pretend the answer is NO and try to make sense of it…
Event: Red Velvet’s Return to the Wall: Velvet figures, “Well, I thought I had my man. But my man was not THE man. So I guess I’ll go back to the Wall and hang with the neighborhood rapists until I figure it all out.”
Indisputably, this idea was conceived and written in as a set-up for Davos to finally give in to the advances of Melisandre.
Dead Jon Logic: Dav and Mel have always held a love/hate relationship for one another since they first appeared on screen together in Season 2. The two were indeed destined for a long-term relationship from the beginning.
Subsequent Groundbreaking Story Arc of Season 6: Davos tells Mel to talk to the hand but mistakenly raises his Stannis punished extremity in lieu of the full five-fingered one and is overcome by her heat as the cold winter winds blow in.
Shadow Davos is born soon thereafter and becomes the champion that saves Westeros from the White Walkers with “Lord of Light” powered negotiation skills.
Event: “He Always Comes Back”: Spoken by Sam to Olly during Season 5.
Dead Jon Logic: Obviously, this had nothing to do with death and/or resurrection, but was said in reference to Jon’s off-screen developing drinking problem and the potential filling of his cup multiple times at the newly planned (and soon to be famous) Night’s Watch White Walker Saloon (or as the locals will call it, The NW3).
Soon thereafter, Jon would croak anyway leaving this statement as unproductive as the idea we all shared when we thought it held a deeper significance.
Event: “Kill the Boy”: spoken by Maester Aemon to Jon Snow.
Dead Jon Logic: This was an obvious recommendation to Jon to give Olly the business before Olly made the decision to give Jon the business. Jon failed to act, thus this dialogue holds no further meaning, you know, since Jon will remain dead.
Event: The White Walker Destruction: Jon disintegrates a Walker with his Valyrian steel sword while being observed closely (and gaining special notice) by the King of the Frozen Dead.
Dead Jon Logic: This event simply depicted a show of gratitude by the Night’s King in admiration of the impressive swordsmanship demonstrated by Jon. But mostly, it was an apparent sign of envy and desire of the Night’s King for Jon’s lovely black flowing locks of man hair. The bounce itself is mesmerizing:
Event: The Seduction Scene S5E4: Melisandre says to Jon, “In our joining there is power. Power to make life, power to make light.”
Dead Jon Logic: This was evidently included to support the origins of the invention of electricity in Westeros. Of course, candles will have to suffice since Jon will remain a corpse.
Dead Jon Logic: The presumably “still hunting Lannister soldiers in the forest” company of men lacking pledge were included not for evidence of potential resurrection, but rather to reemphasize that Beric Dondarrion was still alive and to begin the process of Gendry’s story arc building to the climax of the longest boat ride in the history of the Seven Kingdoms. And it gave the Mountain someone to joust with. And Anguy.
Oh, and it was also an excuse to get Paul Kaye a part in the show.
Event: Halfhand and Snow share dialogue about Jon’s future.
In Season 2 Episode 6, Qhorin Halfhand tells Jon that his death will be a gift for those south of the Wall.
Dead Jon Logic: As Jon Snow presumably knew nothing, apparently Qhorin Halfhand knew something. Or did he?
If the situation remains the same, you would have to assume the Walkers are headed south to a Wall lightly guarded by a few Crows which would mean that “the Gift” that Qhorin referred to would consist of the frozen dead knocking on everyone in the south’s front door and singing Christmas carols.
Thanks Qhorin. Merry Christmas, Mother F******rs.
Dead Jon Logic: In an attempt by the show runners to pay homage to the greatest Old Spice commercial ever, Jon and the Night’s King took part in an epic stare down on the banks of Hardhome. The “Come at me Bro” thing was a cute meme, but the true intention here escaped many now that we know Jon indeed remains a corpse.
Night’s King: “Look at your man. Now back to me. Now back at your man. Now back to me. Sadly he isn’t me, and will be dead before this ad is over.”
Two things can be assumed from this inclusion… 1. David and Dan at times do inconspicuously include product placement in the show and 2. The Night’s King smells good. The only justifiable reason to include Jon in the scene was to demonstrate that Frozen Maul can in fact, raise the dead. But we already knew that.
Since Jon remains deceased, it would have made abundantly more sense to depict the stare down between Maul and say, maybe Wun Wun. After all, Wun Wun is still alive.
Initially done to help Stannis in his battle against the renowned hockey franchise, the “Northern Flayers,” the heinous act of torching his own daughter had little to no effect other than clearing a little snow off of the road.
Dead Jon Logic: The only comprehensible reason for this to be done considering the fate of Stannis was to potentially assist someone else. Many of us presumed that to be Jon.
But since he stays dead, Shireen’s “Kum ba Yah” death scene was included for pure shock value and to enrage what was left of the few GoT viewers following the infamous Ramsay/Sansa wedding/bedding.
And I can assure you that if this beautiful, smart, wonderful actress and fandom-loving person died for nothing more than that, there will be hell to pay for someone.
Just before the “Kill the Boy” speech, Aemon is speaking to Sam in the library and says, “A Targaryen alone in the world… a terrible thing” just as Jon enters the scene.
Dead Jon Logic: Historically in television, this is an old Jedi mind trick used to show affiliation by way of misdirection. In this case, the inference is that Jon may have some Targaryen heritage.
But since ManBun remains kaput, the significance (if any) would apply only to Dany, which is who the two were speaking about in the first place. Maybe Sam joins up with her later, as his potential return to the Wall now looks unlikely. Because, you know, Jon stays dead.
Event: All the talk about that other Targaryen guy.
Dead Jon Logic: To the “casual” viewer, these mentions could be assessed as simple backstory to Dany’s claim to the throne and the type of ruler she would eventually want to become. Some viewers may not even perceive the mentions as anything other than filler dialogue (think about it… the President can’t even remember Tyrion’s name).
Full disclosure: I am aware of the theory. And to all the Unsullied that have no clue what I am talking about, do not anguish. Be surprised (and/or disappointed, depending on your POV).
For the most part, everything that has transpired thus far in the show has some sort of purpose (sans Pod’s lovemaking abilities, and maybe all of the Snake scenes). The inclusion of the Targaryen story holds significance without Jon in the picture. But it potentially holds a hell of a lot more with him in it.
But because it coheres to the colossal amount of backstory and the escalation of Jon’s story arc, the entirety of the production harmonizes now that we take as fact that Snow, shall forever, remain a corpse.
And it’s still better than the Three-Eyed Raven “visions.”
Can the show go on without him? Sure. Can all of the loose ends that the death of Jon left dangling be mended? Absolutely.
Maybe he won’t be resurrected. Maybe all of the events listed above have some other quintessential significance that we are either ignoring or haven’t been exposed to. Maybe I’ve unknowingly joined the Dead Jon Denial club.
One thing is almost certain… if Jon is gone forever, then the show runners arguably have more questions to answer than if he were to be revived. And maybe that could explain why we are already aware that the series has been extended to eight seasons.
Of all things, at least that would somewhat make sense.
That’s a rap for the Oz today, boys and girls. A man hopes that you have all been good this year and are currently listed on the page entitled “nice.” I am quite certain that other evidence-laden events were left out, so feel free to let me know what I missed. And also, who’s next for
To all my Sullied friends, it’s becoming painfully obvious that the Jolly Fat Man will not be putting a book in your stocking this year. For at least one more Christmas, you’ll have to settle for Santa Claus.
Melikalikimaka. And may there always be peace in your realm. -Oz
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This is the best part of the off-season. I’ll read when I have more time, but I just wanted to be among the first to wish you back to the fold, Oz. Looking forward to yet another season’s worth of looking ahead.
OT…..I have a post that isn’t going through possibly because of the links….they are all to songs. Moderators, please check email and let me know why it isn’t posting. Appreciated muchly.
Perhaps Sue would be better equipped to answer this. As it pertains to spoilery filming leaks, many choose not to read those as well. And all we have is speculation.
Ah, thanks for the quick reply…..it is because I have six links in the post, so I will make it two posts instead of one and hope you guys enjoy it…
Obviously if Jon is NOT going to come back, this changes everything. In fact, D & D will have to opt out and turn the show over to the writer of Mamma Mia on Broadway and all characters will now sing ABBA songs for the remaining three seasons.
Who can forget the title tune Mamma Mia sung by Daenerys:
After Cersie plays Carrie and uses her desire for fire, we have Jaime lip syncing to Waterloo:
Nope. Not even close. There’s lots of stuff from the books that hasn’t made it onscreen yet, not to mention the fact that flashbacks/memories and history that we read in the books inform a lot of the theories and predictions that we make about the show. So there’s still quite a difference between Unsullied and book readers.
Jaime isn’t aware, but the biggest song of the new forward thinking show is Brienne, here pining away for her one handed ‘in her own mind’ lover with Take a Chance on Me:
Meanwhile Sansa who is now dancing in the snow and looking for family will belt out this all time favorite Dancing Queen:
And in the end….we have Arya Stark, who will laugh up her sleeve as she sings The Winner Takes It All to close season 8:
Being in rehearsals now D & D are also contemplating doing the last three seasons set to nothing but Beatles songs from 1964. But this is just being kicked around at the moment. ABBA offers so much and really is a fitting way to send off our fallen soldier….
Good night and good luck in the next movie role. We will miss you John Snow. Peace Out!!
To sarcastically attempt to make sense of the idea that Jon Snow remains deceased and enjoy the absurdity. Or don’t. Regardless, a man appreciates you checking it out.
Hello, I am one of the fairly new followers on this site. This was a good read, laughed a lot.
Unfortunately, all I can hear in my warped mind is the vocal majesty of Pierce Brosnan in the theatrical adaptation of “Mamma Mia.” Thank you for that.
Still wondering how the White Walker’s clothes falls apart too when Jon kills him. xD
Just want to say Hi to OZ, good to see your wit on the page again, looking forward to all your posts when the season starts. As far as Jon staying dead? Can’t even form a thought in my head about it. Nope, can’t have it. no no no, …..
ABBA fan, m’lady? Anyway, I had a good laugh and remembered how I enjoyed ABBA when I was a child. Thanks for your humour, Jon’s not being revived would have been so harsh, that tears could be the only answer.
To survive you have to cross the sea & live in a warmer climate With funner culture (Due to Tyrion & Varys in charge ;))
Dany & all her crew are all there, along w/Sam & fam, Arya, Nymeria, Hot Pie, Davos, Brienne, Bronn, Tormund, Ed, Gendry, WunWun, & Hodor
Great read😊.I believe the Nobel Prize for Literature is still up for grabs next year?! A woman is hoping .
What ever happens from now on is anyones guess.
This is my first post ever. Is there anyone else on this site from beyond the wall (Scotland)
Thank you m’lady. And please pass me whatever it is you are consuming today.
To hell with those presumptuous concerns about Jon…I’d be worried a bit more that they haven’t found your sweet Lysa’s body…..
ABBA will teleport to the new Westoros location for entertainment & cabinet positions
My dear Lysa is scheduled to be resurrected in Season 6 as well.
Another entertaining post, Oz. Particularly loved the Dead Jon Logic about the bounce of his “lovely black flowing locks of man hair.” And thanks for remembering our sweet Shireen.
Always wanted to be a Wallaby. WotW made my dreams come true 😍
No matter how funny Oz was, finally I got the terrible possibility: no Jon anymore. By the old gods and the new, it’s like Jeoffrey coming to life again and killing Tommen’s cats! I don’t understand how you can stay Unsullied, Oz, but I’ll play by your rules by imagining Apocalypse Westeros now. The horror, the horror…
So, Davos is accused of being Stannis’s killer, is sentenced to death and decapitated by Thorne (only because Ilyn Payne was travelling during his holidays). Ramsey finds Sansa, kills Theon, she has Ramsey’s child and dies in childbirth. Walda kills Ramsay’s baby, Ramsay kills the rest of his family and becomes the King in the North. Cersei kills Brienne out of jealosy, Jaime kills Tyrion as a revenge for Tywin, Daario kills Jamie for letting Daenerys with no adviser. Viserion and Rhaegal fry and eat Daenerys, angry for being imprisoned. Jorah, heartbroken, kills the two dragons. Drogon avenges his brothers by frying and eating Jorah, but not before Jorah spreading greyscale in Meereen. Misandei and Greyworm catch it and flee to Westeros, where they spread the disease before dying. Arya kills Cersei, but is killed by ser Robert Strong who becomes the new king. Ramsey’s and Robert Strong’s armies go to war, Ramsey wins and tries to flay Robert Strong. Because the latter doesn’t feel any pain and couldn’t die, Ramsay commits suicide. Sam, Gilly and her son are killed by Randyll Tarly. The Faith Militant kill Loras and Margaery becomes a septa – for her is crueler than dying. Lady Olenna marries Pycelle – the most horrible fate.
Yes, & where is BenJen?? & Gendry, po’ lil’ fella
I couldn’t find enough acid brain wash solution to get that out of my medulla oblongata. Love Pierce Brosnan, they should NEVER let him sing again. He was TERRIBLE…right?
On another “note”, it is so great to see you back again. I can’t wait until we have the actual date of the first show for season 6 so that you can get that clock going again.
As ever, a woman is impressed with your commentary. Always a delight and a treat to read when the Oz man posts.
Thanks. Really it was the first musical that came to mind. I almost went with West Side Story, which would have had better songs to choose from, but ABBA is a group that you either hate or love. Kinda like our GoT’s. 😀
Whoa…exciting…but having Ilyn Payne take a holiday is a bit hard to digest. There’s a lotta work to do!
The sindicat must give him a bit of holiday or he goes on strike. I let the other characters continue his good work, he won’t be missed.
Makes me so happy to have a an unsulliedverse once again.
I cannot see how, from a logical perspective, Jon doesn’t come back.
But you absolutely made some good points as to why he doesn’t. LOLs.
If he doesn’t come back, I will be very annoyed. LIKE VERY ANNOYED. And the poster and teaser would just be plain RUDENESS by the show/creators
Loved the read as per usual. Especially the stare down… LOL
I cant wait to read more, all the parts. Are we giving suggestions on what we want your looking forward topics to be about.
Can we have any survivors escape to essos in a fun & happy culture?
So who ends up on the throne? LOL. Loved your synopsis. 😀
Are we giving suggestions on what we want your looking forward topics to be about.
Olenna marries Pycelle… potentially the worst outcome of everything you wrote. I might have to steal that one.
Shy Lady Dragon: Well, that’s the punishment for keeping Jon dead
You only left out one thing, the biggest reptile: Littlefinger emerges from beneath the rock where he was hiding, rises through the ashes and becomes the King of everything – which might happen anyway. Shudder…
Thanks. Only the bad and the worst will survive. So, the WW will be so disgusted, that they will come back to their old realm.
Littlefinger becomes Hand for King Walder, the first of his name.
I was watching with great anticipation when that episode came on. I watched it, but mostly watched my wife to see her unsullied facial expression. Horror. She looks at me, and says “He doesn’t stay dead….RIGHT?”
And I, for the first time since we started to watch the show, honestly answered her with “I have no idea, that story arc has caught up to the books now. I’ve been wondering that same question for a long time.”
Then she made threats about never watching again. Can’t wait to see what happens, I really really hope the book comes out before next season, but if it doesn’t it will be great to be surprised, one way or another for a change.
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