I hope that SOB gets eaten alive by a whole hoard of zombies!!!!!!

I was sad when he told the group Otis didn't make it. Then when I saw his flashback...I was angry he could do that. Otis was helping him, he could have left Shane with his hurt leg, he didn't...it's so sad how he had to die like that! :(

Otis was a good man who didn't deserve to die like that, I wish it had been Shane!!!!!!!

Honestly, I just thought it was bad writing. I didn't buy for a second that killing Otis was necessary. All that time Shane spent rolling around in the floor beating Otis up could've been spent getting away from the zombies. It was a lame twist done purely for shock value and I really hated it.

If Shane hadn't done what he did, him and Otis would both be dead right now, and so would Carl. The thing that really annoys me about this situation is that it'll likely lead to Shane and Lori getting closer. I really hope Rick dumps her sorry ass when he finds out about them.

What a total tool...i just can't look at him coz I'm so pissed off and angry. He didn't have to do that...he could have left himself for bait instead of poor Otis. He was trying to keep Shane going at look how he repays him 0.0

I don't think he had to do that to Otis, him as bait sounded good to. In life there's always choices, though it is a tv show, the ultimate sacrifice would have been himself. When push comes to shove, we all just want to survive.

He do it because Otis was delayed him. I think he shoot to Otis because Shane want to safe Carl. I don't blame him about what he did. I will doing the same if I was on this situation like Shane.

^Noooo there is absolutely no god damn excuse for what that deranged psycho did!!!!! He injured that poor man then let thoes zombies feast on him while he was still alive!!!!! That's not heroic or merciful or whatever excuse you want to fill your head with because you like the guy (can't understand why). And are you forgetting how many times Otis stuck his neck out for that loser?!? Shane is a monster who deserves to be punished big time!!!!

I don't think he had to do it, I saw Otis pick Shane up and hold him up too. I don't think he slowed him down...he was holding his own with keeping up. What Shane did was just cold...but if he felt he had to do it, why did he leave Otis to be eaten alive. He could have been merciful and killed him...that was too hard to watch! He deserves anything bad coming his way now, I feel! :/

Shane has been going down the slippery slop since Rick returned but this was beyond asshood. Otis could have easily escaped but came to Shane's rescue but for what? Shane was thinking of him, himself and he with his mangled ankle which was delaying both of them. There is no excuse for what he did.

Maybe Shane is litlle psycho and such a bad ass but he is just a man.
Otis was overweight and very heavy for Shane who must holding him [don't forget that Shane have injury his leg]. Shane must safe Carl, maybe he do it for Lori I don't care.But he safes Carl and this is important.

The problem with what Shane did is the cold-blood thinking of the action. One moment they are talking about remaining rounds and then "BAM"! The only way it could be justified would be if he had shot Otis in the head and released him from the impending suffering from the jaws of the zombies. But even that was inconceivable by Shane. It was a coward's action.

I think it was an extremely cold blooded thing to do, I was literally sitting there with my mouth open in disbelief, I understand that he felt he had to get back to save Carl, but I really think there was a better way.

GUYS SHANE DIDN'T DO THIS TO SAVE CARL HE DID THIS FOR HIMSELF!!! Some of you are condoning this merciless act of cold-bloodiness and trying to convince yourselves that what he did was heroic and justified but its not, he murdered that man and enjoyed it!!! He didn't care that that man was gonna suffer a horrible death as long as he was the sole survivor! Shane was the one slowing Otis down as mentioned on here. Otis was holding his own just fine, being "overweight" has nothing to do with him being left behind in the end! Shane wanted to outdo Rick and look good in Lori's eyes! He would never knowingly put his life in danger unless there was something in it for him, while Rick who was weak after giving his dying child blood was willing to sacrifice himself to get those supplies! Look what the result was after this, she wanted him to stay, a friggan psycho who nearly raped her and almost shot Rick when they were alone (though no one but Dale saw this) and that idiot still cared about him remaining in the group. Lori doesn't deserve a courageous man like Rick she deserves a homicidal coward like Shane, she strikes me as the selfish one who wants to have her cake and eat it too! If the shit hit the fan and we were all sitting in an undead Apocalypse I think I'd rather have a courageous, selfless person like Rick or Daryl watching my back than some lunatic who'd sell his own grandmother!!!

^ wow, I love your point of view! I must add, I hope Shane gets used as zombie bait someday...just so he can feel the pain Otis endured. I kinda wish Otis became a zombie and the hunter in him tracked down Shane and had him for lunch! Revenge lol :D

^Wouldn't that have been justice lol!!!

^^ lol! True justice indeed. You get him, Zombie Otis! :D

I've been going back & forth with Shane since the beginning - one minute, he's one of my favorites and the next, I want something violent to happen to him. Now, though... I'm not completely sure.

My opinion has been swayed just a little bit by all the comments here. I was never angry at him about it (in the 5 minutes it took from the episode's end to getting here), but all the 'use him as zombie bait' comments have triggered my defense mechanism and I'll now be forced to side with him. I *do* like him occasionally, after all. =P

Sucks for Otis, though.

*now feels guilty for chuckling because there was probably some zombie gut sucking involved in his last scene... I should not find that amusing.*

I think people are judging Shane too harshly.

Think about it. What if you were in Shane's position?

You're running with Otis, and your loved ones are waiting for the items you are carrying. One of them is most likely going to die if you don't get there in time. It's a life or death situation, and you're pretty sure you won't both make it out alive.

You've already offered Otis your bag and told him to go, but he won't leave without you. The zombies are coming faster and faster, and you both only have one bullet left. Now? You are absolutely positive you won't both make it out alive.
The zombies are getting closer and closer. You've got two options.

1. Try to make it to car with Otis and risk the fact that you both might die.
or 2. Shoot Otis and use him as bait as you run/limp to the car.

Be honest, what option would you take?

It might make me cold, but if I honestly thought at the time that we weren't both going to make it, I would shoot Otis. Every time.
I don't want to die and I don't want my loved ones dying either.

With the time it took for Shane to take down Otis and get his bag, they probably would have made it to car by then.
But I still won't judge Shane for it because he probably really thought they both wouldn't make it.

The only problem I have with what Shane did is that he didn't shoot Otis in the head. He could have made the struggle easier and given Otis a painless death.

SO TL/DR:
I don't fault Shane for killing Otis, I fault him for not shooting him in the head.

^Read my comments above obviously you didn't because there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for what he did to that poor man. I don't care how you Shane fans word it or convince yourselves that what he did was justified IT WASN'T!!!!

The will to survive is strong...I also feel a sence of human decency does come into play. If I was in that situation I would hand Otis the bags and shoot myself in the head as bait before I would ever unmerilessly leave someone to be EATEN ALIVE. Otis's wife now is alone...did Shane think of her as he shot him in the leg and ran for his own life? I don't think I'm judgeing him too harshly, I'm seeing the actions of a coward and a snake. I think I would rather trust Otis to have my back, then Shane...he might shoot me! And we didn't even really get to know Otis, but you could see he had a heart!

^Some people's survival instincts are stronger than others.

They can't all be martyrs. If the show was full of Ricks, it wouldn't be interesting.

^Excuse me but Rick is the main hero of this series (without him THERE IS NO SHOW) and is actually a VERY interesting character like some of the others; Daryl, Glenn, Andrea, all of them really and that's because of the very talented cast! As Xbloodjunkie put it thoroughly correct Shane is a "coward and a snake", it wasn't about being the ultimate survivalist (ha maybe he might wanna try taking some cues from Daryl) it was just about himself outdoing Rick. Haven't you noticed this guy has been up to his nose in jealousy since Rick's return? Especially now that he can't bang Lori anymore (unless that last scene between them indicated Shane still had a shot with her), he has NO morals (when did he ever), he has NO consideration, he has NO respect for boundaries, he has NO value for human life, he has NO honor or courage, he's simply a slimey weasel that will one day figure out what its like being on the other end of the stick in a jam and I can't wait for that day to come!!

You wanna know what a true badass hero is? Someone actually with a soul, who isn't out for themselves and who isn't a coward to do the right thing or sacrifice himself when the situation calls for it! I could name plenty of characters who fit these descriptions and none of them are Shane! Oh and you might not like what I'm about to say next but your precious Shane doesn't have a future, as I said his fate was sealed pretty early in the comics so its only a matter of when his time is gonna run out on the show;))

^^ You make a good point, DarkSarcasm. What Shane did pissed me off royally, but it definitely makes the show more interesting to watch. Mostly because I'm just waiting for karma to come and bite him in the butt after that dick move. :D

^^Not every fan is looking for a hero.

^Read my comments above obviously you didn't because there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for what he did to that poor man. I don't care how you Shane fans word it or convince yourselves that what he did was justified IT WASN'T!!!!

I read your comments and understand your opinion. I still disagree.

I'm not saying Shane is some wonderful hero and killing Otis wasn't morally wrong.
But I still understand what Shane did, because I would have done the same thing, maybe not for the same reasons.
But we haven't been given Shane's reasons, we're just guessing. I won't judge him until I know for sure his reasons were completely selfish.


The will to survive is strong... I also feel a sense of human decency does come into play. If I was in that situation I would hand Otis the bags and shoot myself in the head as bait before I would ever mercilessly leave someone to be EATEN ALIVE.

Shane did offer Otis the bag and told him to go.
He could have shot himself and thereby forcing Otis to leave, But..
Again, what if it was your loved one waiting for the items you were carrying? Would you really leave their life in the hands of someone you just met?


^Excuse me but Rick is the main hero of this series (without him THERE IS NO SHOW) and is actually a VERY interesting character

I don't think you understood DarkSarcasm's point.
Rick is a fantastic character. He's selfless, strong, brave, faithful. He's the character everyone looks up to. He's the hero.
But if everyone in the show acted the same way he did, then the show would be unrealistic and boring.
Sure, there are Ricks in real life. But there are also Glenns and Andreas and Daryls and Dales and Shanes.
What makes these characters so interesting is that sometimes they make bad decisions and wrong choices.
I mean, let's be honest. Shane shooting Otis was probably the most interesting thing that happened that episode. I was left speechless, which hasn't happened in awhile.


You wanna know what a true badass hero is? Someone actually with a soul, who isn't out for themselves and who isn't a coward to do the right thing or sacrifice himself when the situation calls for it! I could name plenty of characters who fit these descriptions and none of them are Shane! Oh and you might not like what I'm about to say next but your precious Shane doesn't have a future, as I said his fate was sealed pretty early in the comics so its only a matter of when his time is gonna run out on the show;))

No one here called Shane a hero. He isn't. If anything, he's an Anti-Hero. And believe me, Anti-Hero's can do a lot of screwed up things before they're considered a villain.
And Shane may be cowardly, but I would still do the same thing he did. And honestly? If the apocalypse came around, it would be a dog-eat-dog world. I think a lot of the people judging Shane would do it too, if it was their loved one on the line.
[Also, they've gone pretty far from the comics already. They've skipped parts, things are happening before they're supposed too, new characters have been added and are still here, etc. + Plus, iirc, Otis was supposed to stick around much longer than Shane, and look what happened. If Shane dies at all, it might not even be in the same way.]

wow...I love debates, and y'all are not gettin' too rude with each other. I love that everyone has a point of view and can state their reasoning and facts. You guys made my night...I loved readin' all y'all's comments! =P

I agree with everything that ForsakenMoon19 has stated. I've never liked Shane, and now I like him even less. Zombies need to come and eat his brain NOW.

^ lol zombie eat his brains, but maybe very bitter taste though.:D
I never big Shane fan, I no like him at all now. Snake is perfect word for his personality, if you know that...you know to watch out for his venom ;)

Shane is loosing his head and lets face it we know who to blame....

It's obviously his own fault coupled with Lori too.

It was definatly hard to watch Shane do that but he did have reason. Otis could have overtaken Shane what with his bad ankle and shane Could have been left behind. I'm not saying that what he did was right - not by a long shot! And in this scenario Otis would have later been mowed down by the hoard too.

I can't even say that it wasn't to be expected of Shane. He is really surprising me latly. But I do agree that it was definatly for shock value.

Poor Otis.

Foresaken Moon come down a peg and take a minuet to realise that the characters are all different - some are cold and selfish - some are warm and selfless and others aren't completely devolped.

Your loosing your temper over peoples opinions (again) we can't all blindly agreee with each other.

In you opinion you don't beleive there to be any appropriate reason for Shane's actions

others belive he did have reason and cause

And others can see why he did but may not necisarly agree with his actions. But as DarkSarcasam said: "Not everyone is looking for a hero." And "Some people's survival instincts are stronger than others.

They can't all be martyrs. If the show was full of Ricks, it wouldn't be interesting."

Your letting your hate of this character overshadow other people's opinions.


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Honestly, Salemslot summed it up best for me:
"The only way it could be justified would be if he had shot Otis in the head and released him from the impending suffering from the jaws of the zombies."
This was exactly what I was thinking when I saw that episode. Otis was a decent man. He may have accidentally shot Carl, but he accepted responsibility for it and he was willing to risk his own life to help save him. He certainly didn't deserve to get eaten alive. The least Shane could've done is put him out of his misery.

I don't really hate Shane as a character, and I agree with DarkSarcasm ("they can't all be martyrs"), but that was a pretty despicable thing to do, in my opinion at least.

^ If Shane had shot Otis in the head he would have died and the zombies would have passed him by and carried on chasing Shane, the only reason Shane got away was because he left LIVE flesh for the zombies to eat.

When you die your body doesn't go immediatly cold. It still retains warmth and the smell of death doesn't overcome the host straight away so Yes Shane could have shot Otis in the head and STILL get away.

However; Leaving Otis' alive will attract the hoard even more so then you think:
So far we know that the Hoard is attracted by loud noises (Otis' screaming)
(Fresh) Smell (Otis' is Alive)
Warmth (Hosts are alive when they're attacked - hense why the hoard doesn't turn on eachother)

Shane left Otis Screaming (sound) He left him alive (Warmth/Smell) and someone who is of Mind body and Soul need to be villianous every now and then otherwise the show will be this::

aHHH A zombie ( Kills it) Its okay its gone now!

Ahhhh A hoard (Hides) Its okay theyre gone now....

Characters should naturally turn on eachother in survalist situations and Shane and Daryll have the most right to do so.

Shane had his heart crushed by Lori who USED him and then pushed him away alienating him from his best friend and Carl who pretty much became his son.

Daryll's brother was left for dead and never found. But Daryll handles it

Shane cant.

I didn't like Shane to start with and yes he should have handles the Otis situation with a little more care but Shane is loosing himself and I think that, that is what the show was achieving - Shane is loosing who he is, his morals and his humanity for those around him. The only Love you see from him is when he looks at Rick, Lori and Carl. And everytime he looks at them - you can see his heart breaking... I feel for Shane even after what he did to Otis But I still don't condone it.

Haha! So many 'angry' pick...Well, he had to do something, so I think he was right

-WOW- this is the longest an most discus page yet, ya he did it too save himself true, but it's not like he could carry the guy. plus he thought he'd score some points with Lori(carl was like a son too him) right?

otis helpt him the whole way, he drew away the walkers so shane could get away, he helped shane walk with his screwed up leg and this is how shane repays him? Otis and Shane would have gotten away, it was shane that was slowing them down not otis (even though otis was over weight). I was really angry about what happened since i had gotten really attached to the guy and when shane lied again about otis trying to cover him so he could run it just really boiled up my blood!

THAT MUTHER FUCKING BITCH SHANE DESERVES TO GET EATEN BY WALKERS AND GET TORTURED I AM SO FUCKING MAD RIGHT NOW WHY WOULD HE DO THAT AND DON'T GIVE ME THAT HE DID WHAT HE HAD TO DO SHIT HE IS A FUCKING BASTARD AND DESERVES TO ROT IN HELL

^Is that you, ForsakenMoon? XD

I would have done the same thing even though I would feel guilty.

i hate shane otis was a good man the time shane took to kill otis they could of got to the truck it is sad he died so quick i would of gone a bit long before i did something .. i wundered what would of happened had otis and shane made it or if just otis made it i wish otis reanimated and bit/ate shane before rick killed him

i think otis should of survived i mean really 2 episodes with otis suck he should of made it out i mean daryl and dale did not belive him rick lori found the truth so why even kill him if nearly half of the group knows so i think shane and otis should of made it or when shane said im sorry (bullshit) otis should of shot shane before shane shot him

I think that it was bad but really he had to.But it is also Otis fault because Shane told him to go ahead without him but he declinded.Which make what Shane did even worsee...

"Excuse me but Rick is the main hero of this series (without him THERE IS NO SHOW)"

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I hated him before but this was the moment that kinda solidified it. Though I will say that he's a strong character. I don't like him at all but he is a very effective antagonist and I can appreciate that.