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Team Flash lost a key member in tonight’s Season 1 finale of the hit CW drama when in the final minutes, Rick Consett’s Det. Eddie Thawne took his own life to stop Reverse Flash and save his friends.

Introduced as partner to Det. Joe West (Jesse L. Martin) and boyfriend of Joe’s daughter, Iris West (Candice Patton), Eddie 

developed a friendship with Barry Allen (Grant Gustin), despite the two being in love with the same woman. Eddie’s fate started to take a dangerous turn a few episodes ago when he was kidnapped by Dr. Harrison Wells (Tom Cavanagh), recently revealed as Eobard Thawne, a distant relative of Eddie’s and mortal enemy of The Flash. In tonight’s finale, after getting his plan to get back to the future and harness The Flash’s speed thwarted, Eobard Thawne (aka Reverse Flash) moved on to destroy Team Flash. As his relative, Eddie sacrificed himself, knowing that if he takes his own life, Eobard (Reverse Flash) will never exist.

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co-creator/executive producer Andrew Kreisberg said the explosive Season 1 conclusion had been a long time in the making, starting with the conscious choice of the last name for Eddie’s character. “It was there to be done if we decided to go in that direction,” Kreisberg said of the character’s heroic death. As for how the “difficult decision” to take that direction was made, “the show tells you where it wants to go,” Kreisberg said. “Despite how much we adore the character of Eddie and truly adore Rick as a professional and a friend, this was what was best for Eddie and all the other characters, what was best for the show.”

Eddie’s “stunning, emotionally gut-wrenching” death “brings the show to a high point at the end” of the season, Kreisberg said. “Having someone do the ultimate sacrifice ups the life-and-death stakes.” The suicide also punctuates Eddie’s storyline with a grand ending. “At the end of the day, he dies knowing he is a hero, he eliminates Eobard from existence.”

Eddie’s death will reverberate next season. “Eddie was a large part of everyone’s life,” Kreisberg said. “He and Iris spent a year and a half together, and he died for her. Joe has lost a partner, and Barry has lost a friend. Eddie’s death will have a major impact on all of their lives as they cope and figure out how to move forward in Season 2.”

As for Dr. Harrison Wells, while Eobard Thawne, who’d taken over Wells’ body, is presumed dead, and his alter ego, Reverse Flash, has been defeated, Cavanagh would return to

next season, Kreisberg said. He wouldn’t elaborate on how Wells will be reintroduced, but the series relies heavily on time travel, so that will likely play in a role in Wells’ future comeback.

The Season 1 finale, which Kreisberg calls a “satisfying conclusion to the year,” ends with a cliffhanger as a black hole looms over Central City. Kreisberg would not reveal what happens next beyond saying that the show “will come back exciting and surprising” next fall with a new mystery and new characters from the comic books. He also hinted at more characters crossing over between

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Excellent season finale. The show went in directions I didn’t expect. While Eddie’s death was emotional and shocking, the best scene was between Barry and his mom. I was actually rooting for her to live, but like that the show didn’t take the easy way out.

Good show, but I’m done. There’s way too much comic book scripted content being broadcast (or streamed) for me to keep up with. Same goes for the movies. I am overwhelmed at all of the announced DC and Marvel films in the pipeline. When it rains, it pours, and I’m drowning under the deluge!

So then why wouldn’t you stick with a show that you like and just not commit to something new?

I’ll continue to watch Agent Carter and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on ABC and Daredevil on Netflix. I’ll continue to see the Marvel Studios films in the Theater, but I am done with DC and Star Wars.

sure you are. we believe you. you can quit any time you want. ;)

Surely it’s a golden age of geek-fueled scripted entertainment. But I’m sure I’m not the only one suffering from this paralysis of choice.

lol good riddance. the fans won’t miss you.

Just because Eddie kills himself shouldn’t mean that the reverse flash should die! Eddie could have a sister or a bother even cousin.

In the comics, there’s a second Reverse-Flash, also called Zoom because his real name is Hunter Zolomon, who is more or less a Flash fanboy in a Mr. Glass in Unbreakable sort of way.

@H. Williams, that makes no sense. That’s like saying if someone goes back in time and kills someone’s mother that the person will still be born because their mother’s cousin will give birth to them.

If Eobard was not a direct decendant of Eddie, then he wouldn’t have died when Eddie shot himself. Sure, there could still be a Reverse Flash, but it can’t be Wells or any other member of the Thawne family. That family ended when Eddie shot himself, because if he had any other family i’m sure it would have been mentioned.

Exactly! Why else would RFlash say in an earlier episode thst Eddie was his insurance, right?

LOL! As long as Reverse Flash lives no one cares at all about Eddie!

I agree. They never definitively said Eddie was Eobard’s great-great-great-great grandfather. He could have been his great-great-great-great uncle or 8th cousin.

UHMMMM Wells CLEARLY told Eddie, when he had him prisoner,

“Observe, if you will, the byline. Barry marries Iris and not you. We’re just gonna have give this ring back to Grandma Agnes.” Eddie marries an Agnes who is Eobard’s grandmother. so NO, EDDIE is NOT his great great uncle or 8th cousin. Eddie is Eobard’s grandfather.

Or it could be the guy who watches his dog, anyone really. It’s just logic, people.

“Just because Eddie kills himself shouldn’t mean that the reverse flash should die”

You really don’t understand how a family tree works do you?

Eddie’s death should have made big ripples through time effecting the lives of every member of the cast. If Eobard Thawne is now erased from existence that means he can never go back in time and kill Barry’s mother so Barry’s dad never goes to jail. If this is true then he never moves in with Joe and never meets Iris. Plus the real Dr. Wells is never murdered which is probably how they can bring him back in season 2. He never died. And the accident creating the meta-humans never happens so Barry never becomes the Flash. Can’t wait to see how they sort this out in season 2.

Yeah, Joe and Barry’s dad new each other pretty well (I think they were best friends), otherwise Joe wouldn’t have taken Barry in, and Iris and Barry were already best friends and had been since kindegarten (it was mentioned in one of the early episodes)

They could do that but they won’t. They took the cowards way out. A total cheat for the loyal viewers who wanted him to save his mother. Stupid beyond belief and a total epic fail on the part of the writers. No way Barry would have just stood there and let her die. Made no sense. Zero logic to it. Would have been much more interesting to let her live then see how things are different.

oh, but the story is just beginning. this is the big flash story.

Future Flash waved him off, knowing he was there. Which means all of this happened before, all of this will happen again. Frak it, wait for the multiverse to warp everything some more and remind yourself, it’s a comic book TV show man.

Barry going back in time to save his mother created another paradox. The only reason he didn’t is because future flash told him not too. Two Flashes from two different time periods being in the same moment caused a paradox which resulted in a time loop, self fulfilling prophecy. At some point in Barry’s future, he will go back in time to stop the Reverse Flash from killing his younger self. But in his youth (the current timeline) also travelled back to that moment only to see his future self telling his younger self not to save their mother. Thus when, in Barry’s future, he does travel back in time to stop the Reverse Flash, he will see his younger self already there to save their mother, will remember that moment from the younger’s POV (which happened in his past), will remember himself (the older) telling his younger self not to save there mother and will do the same. If that makes any sense. Kinda like John Connor sending Kyle Reese back in time so that he, John Connor, can be born.

Though the paradox I just mentioned, conflicts with the paradox created by removing Eobard Thawne from existance. If Eobard never existed in the first place, he couldn’t have travelled back in time to kill child Barry, thus the future Flash wouldn’t have followed to stop him, thus resulting in the moment where both the younger and older Flashes see each other in Barry’s home as never having happened. Paradox, Paradox, Paradox. Messing with time just leaves a very messy mess. Wonder how the writers will fix this problem? I doubt even Doctor Who could solve it lol:) Unless someone goes back in time and stops Eddie shooting himself, then I haven’t a clue…. Sorry for the lengthy and the complicated, i’m just a writer by nature.

Cisco can see the overlapping timelines maybe he will realize the infinite loop caused by Eddies death and will save Eddie.

He didn’t exactly stand there. Remember his future self told him don’t interfere. His future self didn’t know that his mother would be killed though.

Barry’s future self told him not to. He was hiding in his room and the Future Flash gestured at him to stay where he was. That’s when the realization probably dawned on him. That was pretty clear.

Sad though. No TV version of the Flashpoint Paradox. (Yet. I hope.)

Barry’s timeline gets rewritten now. I wonder how he becomes the Flash without Eobard. Presumably all their memories will change after Eddie sacrificed himself. No Eobard born, no one to kill Nora Allen (does she still die in this rewritten timeline?), the particle accelerator still gets built, we know that much from Eobard’s explanation at the crash site… he just needed it to be built earlier. Dang. Wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey stuff

Do they forget everything? Or do they keep memories of different timelines considering they were in the eye of the storm, so to speak? (Cisco will probably remember even if the others don’t. Does he make it his mission to remind them? Tall order… simpler if they all remember… but the writers are going to need to unfurl a lot of twists and knots in the plot next season.

just go and read flashpoint paradox and many of your doubts will vanish..

In the comic FLASHPOINT Barry saves his mom and the world gets turned upside down. He then goes back in time to stop himself from saving her. They just skipped the first part. The show is only an hour long. It would be asking a lot to do the entire FLASHPOINT comic in a few episodes.

yeah, the geek in me wanted to see that story on live action TV. too much to ask admittedly (plus no Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Batman / Thomas Wayne, etc. in this universe so… Was partly hoping they would use Robert Queen and Ollie to replace the Waynes, change the details of the war, and let the whole thing play out for one season or something, but yeah, I guess it’s not pragmatic and also potentially rather predictable)

“No way Barry would have just stood there and let her die”… UNLESS HE TOLD HIMSELF TO. Did you not see future Barry (with the white emblazoned Flash logo) wave him off from saving her? This future Barry obviously knows that worse things will happen should current Barry save his mother (either from time travel or some sort of future tech that would allow him to know as much). This is a huge storyline from the comics, one in which Barry’s mother is always meant to die. I have been a loyal fan since this show’s inception and I wasn’t waiting for Barry to save her (regardless of my knowledge of the comics) this would have irreversibly altered the universe in which the show takes place. And how is it cowardly to not capitulate to the emotional whims of some of the audience who wanted Nora to live? It’s actually MORE BRAVE to not give you the Hollywood Happy Ending.

Not really. We all know what happened when Flash saved his mother. why rehash this same old story? This way is a fresh take and we have no clue what is going to happen. It is pretty ingenious really. The easy way out , which would have been stupid beyond belief, would have been to remake the Flashpoint paradox again, for a 3rd time. We already seen the Flashpoint paradox in the comics, and in animated form, no need for a 3rd time.

He didn’t save her because for one his future self noticed him and made a gesture that ment for present day Barry to stop and not interfere. Second, after destroying the time machine Barry band wells are talking and wells as why he didn’t save her that he could have everything he wanted, Barry replied he already had it.

Exactly, I concur. Removing Eobard Thawne from existance would have created a massive paradox that would result in the collapse of the current timeline. Though, it seems to me that we had our attention drawn to Eddie’s body being sucked into the wormhole. I wonder if that somehow has something to do with preventing the paradox from happening and if, perhaps, it has something to do with Well’s existance in season 2….. What do you guys think?

In the comics, a follow-up to Flash’s death in the Crisis On Infinite Earths shows that when he was dying, he was running so fast that he went back in time and became the lightning bolt that caused the accident that gave him his powers. Conversely, the fact that The Earth didn’t instantly disappear like Wells did strongly implies that the Flash had his own real origin in the original timeline, “before” Wells altered it by murdering Nora. This original timeline likely includes Nora not dying and Barry and Iris falling in love anyway. Given that the time master Rip Hunter is the star of the Legends of Tomorrow spin-off, I think it’s safe to speculate that that series is going to deal with at least some of the crazier after-effects of this story.

Wells/Thawne clearly states, on different episodes, that Barry becomes the Flash because of Wells but he caused it to happen faster. Barry was always going to be the Flash, it just happened sooner in the timeline, thanks to Wells/Thawne taking over Wells’ body and using his knowledge from the future.

Essentially, basic theoretical physics of time-travel kind of say A WHOLE LOT would have changed (I.E. everything Barry didn’t want to change by saving the life of his mother)

There is also a theoretical time-travel law that uses the example of killing Hitler as a Baby to stop WWII and the theory is this: if you stop that person from being born, you also stop the future people who kill Baby Hitler from even knowing about WWII thus negating the ripple from even happening.

Great finale but yeah: time travel is tricky…

Barry would have still became the Flash, Eobard Thawne just hasted the transformation with the particle accelerator… he even mentioned it when he killed Harrison Wells

Barry Allen is already the Flash when Thawne goes to kill him, fails so then kills his mom instead to try and scar him at a very young age. The fact that the Wells/RF creates the Flash in this timeline only changes HOW Barry becomes the flash….not the if.

It becomes a paradox in itself. If Reverse Flash never kills Barrys mother then the original timeline that made the Reverse Flash in the first place will come into play basically if Barrys mother is alive then Eddie is alive and that means Eobard is alive. The only person who will remember the previous timeline is Cisco. It becomes infinite loop. Season 1 all over again. The only solution to end the loop is to save Eddie.

Totally agree with this except the accident can still happen because Reverse Flash says to dr wells before he kills him that he would build the electorator, therefore ge could mess up and the accident happens

If you look at the facts of the story, there’s a few plot holes that will have to be filled in early into season 2. Most notably the paradox created by removing Dr. Wells aka. Eobard Thawne aka. The Reverse Flash, from existance. Without him existing, the future Wells would never have existed to go back in time to kill young Barry, thus never killing Barry’s mother and not being the reason that The Flash Was created. Thus the timeline wouldn’t have splintered and current Barry and Team Flash would not be living in the alternate timeline created by Wells going back in time and killing Barry’s mother. Thus the paradox.

So I wonder how they will solve that problem… P.s. this is why I never mess with time travel when writing my stories. Too messy and too many loopholes.

I wonder if Eddie’s body being sucked into the time vortex has something to do with preventing the above mentioned paradox from occuring? Perhaps his body lands somewhere in the future where Time Keepers bring him back alive in order to fix the paradox, wipe his memory but leaving only his name and send him back in time to the present, but to a city far from Central City where Eddie will never cross paths with The Flash, Iris or anybody associated with them. That’s how I would fix the paradox if I was the writer. I do definitelly believe Eddie’s body is essential to the pardox not occuring and to Dr Wells being in season 2, though. What do you guys think? P.s. (spoiler alert) the time keeper I mentioned. His name was given in the season finale, though I can’t remember it (Wells said that the first ‘time pod’ was built by this person), and he is also a main character The Legends of Tomorrow spin off series.

I figured the giant hole in the sky was caused by the paradox of Eobard no longer existing, but the effects of him existing still being there, as such the whole Eobard never existing thing isn’t quite over yet. I’m interested in Jay Garrick’s helmet appearing and Eobard seeing that as his cue to leave.

All that totally makes sense, but.. according to Eobard, because he was stuck in the past, he HAD to create The Flash, that means, before he went back in time, The Flash already existed… wich means.. The Flash was created through another way.. is that making any sense?

I agree that Eddie’s death supposed to change everything..

Makes since to me, bit I think alter ego Eddie may be a Reverse Flash,

But what if, at the start of next season, Barry stops the singularity from becoming bigger and cancels it altogether? Won’t the timeline stay intact because there is nothing that will cause a change in the timeline?

It’s fiction, it’s not real, time-travel is not real, when you do your stories that you read to your friends and their pets, you can do whatever you want, the friend’s poodle isn’t going to question the logic. People? Everyone? It’s fiction.

So just because something is fictional, means it doesn’t matter if it makes no sense whatsoever? Good to know we can go tell all the writers of the world they don’t need standards anymore! ;)

Seriously. Yes, it’s fictional, but it should still have some logic and consistency, and it’s reasonable for fans to be confused and/or upset if writers seem to be getting lazy with their storyline.

It was legend wait for it dary..! Excited for all new season . Hope everything goes more excited and expecting new characters like the cap of jay Garrick’s flew through the hole. And wally west getting his powers. I’m so excited and hope it starts very soon. Just can’t wait anymore.

If Eddie killed himself to stop Eobard thus supposedly removing him from existence yet Eobard still went back to kill Barry’s mother doesn’t that make Eobard a living Paradox?

If I remember correctly that’s how Thawne survived the Flashpoint event because he became a paradox. Am I wrong here? They could use that for season 2

Did anybody else notice the helmet of jay garrick when dr. Wells was about to go back to his time. The helmet came out and he said Oh its my time to go

Nope, no one at all noticed Original Flash’s Jay Garrick’s helmet……… said no one ever.

Is anybody paying Rian Johnson a fee for this? Conceit feels slightly a rip-off of the ending of Looper.

Just because Eddie died does not mean a grandfather paradox has occurred eobard may be a descendent of one of eddies relatives say a cousin or sibling and the fact that Eddie is now dead means that everybody else in the thawne liniages lives will now be subsequently affected grief, interactions with Eddie etc perhaps it takes eobard a few extra years to become the reverse flash. Remember we are already in flash TV series,version of universe 2.0 because of Barry’s previous jaunt with time travel.

First rate finale. It will be interesting to see how Eddie’s death will affect the future. Does this mean that the end of Reverse Flash will resurrect the real Harrison Wells? How did Barry managed to remain the Flash? What about his parents? If Thawne ceased to exist, does this mean that Barry had spent the rest of his childhood with them?

Let’s not take out of content what happened in the remaining sseconds of the season finale. Barry is trying to close an unstable worm hole. We don’t know if he closes it. But if let’s say he does but in the same process gets sucked into the wormhole. He could get thrown into an alternate timeline where Thawne still exsist. Lets say as a young boy. The reverse flash still lives. And to be honest the Reverse Flash always certaintly has an ace in the hole when all else fails. That leaves room for a infinate amount of directions for the series to go as far as villains and allies. Overall I was glued to the tv on the last episode and can’t wait to see season 2. Team Flash

There are a number of questions/holes to be taken care of, BUT I think the one fact that most people are missing that might help just a little is….Harribard said earlier in the season that once he was stuck he had to “re-create” the events that made Barry Allen the Flash but sooner….inferring that Barry indeed became the Flash without any help/actions from Reverse Flash originally.

As said earlier by someone Barry and everything doesn’t immediately collapse meaning that Barry becoming the Flash is not dependent on Harribard existing. Again doesn’t answer anything, but helps a little

First, Eddie did not have to die, just had to decide to get a vasectomy and carry out the decision later. Barry did not create a time paradox, but Eddie did. As he kills himself, the Reverse Flash character would not have existed. Of course they show him dissolving, but the entire time line would have also been eliminated, perhaps that is why the black hole is basically dissolving the planet and time line.

while i am not a big fan of Berlanti et al, I must say that they did a really fine job casting this show. Every one did a great job and Tom Cavanaugh was GREAT. Grant Gustin is an excellent actor as well and all these guys did a really good job. THe problems I have with the show and Arrow, do not have to do with them.

Did anyone else get goosebumps when the golden age Flash’s helmet came thru the wormhole? Wow, I hope they introduce him into the series next year!

Light hearted comment but surely the smartest thing for Eddie to do would have been to get a vasectomy! Gets rid of Eobard without the need to shoot himself.

Heyy.. Don’t you guys think Eddie will not only change the future but also changes the past, because there will be no Eaobard Thawne. Eobard Thawne will not exist and so cannot travel back in time to take over the body of Mr. Wells.. and Mr. Wells will never come to central city probably.. also his wife will not die… and mostly all the first season will never happen because until 2020 … there will be no hedron collider according to Mr. Thawne(he does time travel to speed up things)

If Eddie was Eobard’s great-great-great-great grandfather . Then How old is Future Barry?

probably in his 30’s. Future Barry is just traveling through time after RF. It’s not like he is a vampire and lives 100 years.

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The Flash season finale was amazing! Grant Gustin gave some of the most genuine and emotional performances I’ve seen in some time. He has this innate charm and likability that makes you care what happens to him, and he used that genuine quality perfectly last night! He not only made you feel for him in that scene with his mom, he made you feel what he felt at that moment. I actually just listened to a review of episodes 21 & 22 of the flash on Antenna Heads that highlights why Gustin is so great, give it a listen!

The problem with the finale is it makes no sense. If Eddie killed himself it should change the entire timeline. It would mean that Eobard Thawne would never have been born so he would not just disappear, he would never have existed, so he never would have travelled back in time and lived as Harrison Wells in the first place. I know time travel and superheroes are unrealistic anyway but it should still conform to basic logic.

Season 2 would probably show the whole central city destroyed and barry would decide to travel back in time to prevent eddie from shooting himself. Thus preventing the black hole to appear and allowing reverse flash to escape..

Great season finale. Love the show. Big hit here in San Juan, Puerto Rico. But I think they, at Star Labs, could have saved a lot of money, a lot of time, energy blood and lives if they just have made Eddie do a vasectomy. Simple as that. It doesn’t hurt and is fast.

Eobard Thawne would had never been born, so he would have automatically disappeared. And Eddie could still marry Iris. Even more, Barry’s parents may still be alive and so Dr. Wells (maybe even married to his then girlfriend or even Tina). So Mr Andrew Kreisberg, if you need a writer or consultant on the show, I’m your man.

One thing I realised is that henry was still in jail when the black hole had begun. Does this mean that someone still killed Nora even though reverse flash was erased

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