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Digoenes picked Yes:
They could have gone the Mulan route and end with the two as friends but still kind of into each other. But instead they fall in love after 2 whole days!
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princesslullaby picked Yes:
I think it would have been okay if Anna had gone to try to find Kristoff as an attempt for love and realized he didn't love her, or something... I'm not really thinking this through. I just hate that she goes "Kristoff... loves me?" it didn't need to be said... and shouldn't have been. I just... I need to stop before I go on and on about how wrong it is
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Disneyfan9648 picked No:
^No, please do go on. Really. You guys are ridiculous. Hans and Anna fell in love within a couple hours. Anna and Kristoff fell in love after two days. I know, that's a short time, but hear me out. Kristoff and Anna were together non stop basically for every hour of each day. Kristoff needed to save Anna and took her under his wing. Tell me that if I stole your sister, or mom, and put her somewhere secret. Then I dropped you in the wilderness with no idea of where you are. Then some nice guy helped you find your sister/relative, but then I showed up and shot you. Now, this nice guy brings you across the land to save you. And you spend every minute of every day together. Do that and tell me you won't get even tiny feelings for him. Also, how does that detract from the message? Anna sacrifices herself for Elsa, not Anna
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Tygers_Eye picked Yes:
^ To be fair, Anna and Hans knew each other a whole day. They met in the morning, smiled from afar, then met up early in the party and spent presumably hours interacting and telling each other their whole lives' stories before the "Will you marry me?"

Anna and Kristoff spend at most a day and a half together, and most of it is spent sniping at each other, being on the move, and racing against time for their lives to outrun wolves, an angry snowman, and Anna's rapidly freezing heart. That's not very much time to really get to know someone or realize it's True Love, any more than it is for Hans.
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Disneyfan9648 picked No:
^Anna and Hans were together for a couple hours at most. So what if they met in the morning? Smiled from afar? That'll get the heart pumping full of love. The reason why Anna fell in love with Hans so quickly is because she wanted to fall in love with anyone. Desperately.

Sniping at each other? Beside the one in the cart, I can't think of one that actually matters. Arguing about his friends the love experts was more playful jesting, and can actually bring you closer together. She was with Hans for maybe 3 hours. She was with Kristoff for at least 24. See the difference
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ARIEL-RAPUNZEL picked Yes:
Anna went for Kristoff when they only had a friend relationship to start there's no love on Kristoff side or Anna herself because she wanted Hans before finding out he was evil she only saw Kristoff as a friend throughout the whole journey.
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Angelica_AW picked No:
Not really.
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Disneyfan9648 picked No:
^^ No love on Kristoff's side? He went riding into a blizzard after her! He didn't want to leave her in the first place! She saw Kristoff as a friend throughout the journey yes, but when she realized that he loved her, everything became clear.
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avatar_tla_fan picked Yes:
Yep.
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truth76 picked Yes:
I think so.
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JungleQueen13 picked Yes:
I agree with Digoenes, it would have been better as a friendship on the verge of developing into romance at the end of the film.
And I don't like that Anna is basically prompted into "realising" that she loves Kristoff.
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AudreyFreak picked Yes:
YES. This movie is so hypocritical. "True (romantic) love is stupid and doesn't really exist, but oh, you've known this guy like 2 days and despite the fact that he has nothing in common with you, is rude to you, and does stuff you find gross, you're in love with him!"
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manu962 picked No:
Yeah, they like each other but there is no rush like with Hans. We don't even see them on a date. They are not engaged or married. So I don't see the problem. And they never said Kristoff and Anna had true love. They just love/liked each other. It wasn't even their love that saved Anna. The only true love int he movie was the sisterly love between Anna and Elsa.
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Tygers_Eye picked Yes:
!Disneyfan: The point is Anna and Hans knew each other about just as long as Anna knew Kristoff before they "fell in love," and spent more of that time actually talking, interacting, and sharing their stories. Anna and Kristoff spent most of their time on the move, rushing and fighting for their lives, and bickering and sniping at each other. They don't have anything in common and in general annoy and gross each other out. I don't see how that's a bigger recipe for True Love than actually setting down to talk and get to know someone.

I just find it disingenuous that Disney preaches to Anna (and thus the audience) that it's idiotic to think you know someone well enough for it to be True Love when you only just met, and thus can't really know them. (As Kristoff points out, what if he has some annoying habits, embarrassing secrets, or deal-breaking flaws you didn't know about? As Anna finds out, what if he lied about himself, and/or he just wasn't who she thought he was?) Then it goes back on it's own lesson by having Anna and Kristoff "realize" they DO love each other! Even though they also just met, and thus can't really know each other either.
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Tygers_Eye picked Yes:
EDIT: I mean, really. Olaf's and Anna's Love Epiphany can be summed up like this:

Olaf: What happened to True Love's Kiss?
Anna: I was wrong about Hans (my fiance, whom I just met, whom everyone warned me against trusting and marrying so soon) loving me.
Olaf: Well, we gotta find an act of True Love... any ideas?
Anna: I don't even know what love is. (I mean, I thought I had it with a guy I just met, then it turned out not to be true.)
Olaf: I do. Love is putting someone else's needs before your own. (Even though that's just what decent human beings do.) Like Kristoff.
Anna: Kristoff... (the guy I also just met)... loves me?
Olaf: Wow, you really don't know anything about true love, do you? (I mean, you thought you loved a complete stranger that you just met, then you realized it couldn't be love since you just met and can't really know each other, but now you realize that it's really true love with this other guy you also just met.)

Every time I hear Anna say "Kristoff... loves me?" and Olaf respond, "Wow, you really don't know anything about true love, do you?" I think the movie just spat in the face of its own moral, and rendered all the times Elsa and Kristoff lectured her about Hans, and the reveal about Hans being evil and the lesson Anna learns about how you can't know someone you just met enough to know you love them, completely moot.
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princesslullaby picked Yes:
Anna and kristoff never, at any point, spent time getting to know each other. At least anna and hans did. Pushing kristoff into being Annas true love was only used to surprise the viewers by having the act of true live come from anna and elsa instead. There's no actual development to it. Throughout the movie kristoff called anna a burden. We see small moments of him admiring her but it doesn't add up to true love.
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KataraLover picked Yes:
princesslullaby, Yep, even Anna knew that her and Kristoff's romance was unnecessary and rushed with that one line. "Kristoff... loves me?"
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324anna picked Yes:
The only thing that kinda makes it okay is the fact that the movie doesn't mention that they got married. It's pretty normal for them to be in a simple not too serious relationship for a few months or more and THEN decide whether they should marry or not. At least we didn't see a wedding or something. BUT it's still very annoying, especially because the movie practically shoves in our faces that whole "You can't marry a man you just met" message and they completely ruin it at the end. Also, Hans and Anna knew each other better than Kristoff with her, the latter never really talked much about their interests, personalities e.t.c. Kristoff has as much possibilities at being evil as Hans had.
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Disneyfan9648 picked No:
Tygers, I don't know where you got your quotes from, but if you're going to quote something, be accurate ok? I caught that that quote was wrong immediately. You might fool others, but you ain't fooling this Disney fan!! (you see what I did there?) Anyway, to prove that you got the quote wrong, I looked up the screenplay and rewatched that scene.

Here's what you said (excluding your comments):

Olaf: What happened to True Love's Kiss?
Anna: I was wrong about Hans loving me.
Olaf: Well, we gotta find an act of True Love... any ideas?
Anna: I don't even know what love is.
Olaf: I do. Love is putting someone else's needs before your own. Like Kristoff.
Anna: Kristoff... loves me?
Olaf: Wow, you really don't know anything about true love, do you?

Here's what it actually is:

Olaf: So, where’s Hans? What happened to your kiss?
ANNA: I was wrong about him. It wasn't true love.
OLAF: Huh. But we ran all the way here?
ANNA: Please Olaf, you can’t stay here; you’ll melt.
OLAF: I am not leaving here until we find some other act of true love to save you. ...Do you happen to have any ideas?
ANNA: I don’t even know what love is.
OLAF: That’s okay, I do.... Love is...putting someone else’s needs before yours, like, you know, how Kristoff brought you back here to Hans and left you forever.
ANNA: ...Kristoff loves me?
OLAF: Wow, you really don’t know anything about love, do you?

In your scenario Olaf says true love three times. Where as in the true script it says one time. What can he pull out from this? We can see that the love between Anna and Kristoff isn't necessarily "true love" We can even argue that they don't love each other, but they just have feelings for each other, but since Anna says, "Kristoff loves me?" Let's not argue that point. All I'm getting at is that Kristoff and Anna didn't have true love yet. As all of you has kindly said that they didn't have time to build that yet. Anna sacrificing herself for Elsa was true love. Her falling for Kristoff does nothing against that message.
And for saying that the love was "rushed." You can see Kristoff having feelings for Anna as they are getting kicked out of Elsa's castle.
And for those of you who say they snipe at each other all the time, another quote for you:
KRISTOFF: So, about my friends...well, I say friends, they’re more like family.... Anyway, when I was a kid, it was just me and Sven...until they took me in.
ANNA: They did?
KRISTOFF: Yeah. I don’t want to scare you, they can be a little bit inappropriate...and loud...very loud...they’re also stubborn at times, and a little overbearing. And heavy. Really, really heavy. But they’re fine.. You’ll get it. They mean well.
ANNA: Kristoff, they sound wonderful.
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ApplesauceDoctr picked No:
We don't know that they love each other. Perhaps they just like each other and are in that "more than just friends" stage. And they're not engaged or anything, so I don't think there's a real problem.
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Disneyfan9648 picked No:
^thank you
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Sk8er__grl picked Yes:
Woah, what fight did I miss?

Achem, yes and no. I don't think it undermines Elsa originally saying, "you can't marry a man you just met" because Anna doesn't marry Kristoff. They kiss, it's like a little school girl crush. My problem is Kristoff asks questions to Anna about Hans to see if Anna knows anything ABOUT the guy she makes out to be in love with. "Eye color? Last name? Shoe size?" Anna never learns any of those things about Kristoff. I'm sure that after the movie they will learn more about each other, they definitely aren't the most underdeveloped Disney couple, it's just how Disney advertises it.
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Disneyfan9648 picked No:
^Anna met Kristoff's family! They know more about each other than Hans and Anna know about each other
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Tygers_Eye picked Yes:
Oh, I see!

Disney doesn't have a problem with people thinking they're In Love with someone they just met, as long as they don't MARRY someone they just met! No wedding, no problem! You can TOTALLY think it's True Love with someone you met yesterday and rely on a kiss to break a spell, just as long as there's no ring on the finger. And you've got Disney's complete stamp of approval!

I see now. Everyone, thank you for clearing that up.
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Sk8er__grl picked Yes:
^LOL perfect comment XD

@Disneyfan9648 so, she met the family. If I met a boy off the streets family it means we should be perfectly okay to fall in love. THAT'S how love works... -_-
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Disneyfan9648 picked No:
^^ You're a genius!!! Wow you are cool, and so smart!! How long was Snow White and the prince together before they had true love's kiss? How about Auroura and her prince? Does it really matter? Haven't you heard of love at first sight? I've fallen for someone I only knew for less than a day (it wasn't the same day, but the total ammount of time I was with her was less than a day)
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Disneyfan9648 picked No:
^^ Yeah. That's what I meant. Yeah! Cool! You all were saying that Anna and Kristoff didn't even know each other that well, and that's not true. Anna met his family. She learned some of his background and they were together for a long time, and they talked to each other. All I'm saying is that they know about each other, unlike you believe
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Sk8er__grl picked Yes:
@Disneyfan9648 What gives you the right to be so obnoxious? The point we are getting at is Disney tried to say that love takes time but then you are saying it doesn't undermine it's message by showing love at first sight?
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fhghu picked Yes:
Yeah, I honestly think the relationship between Anna and Kristoff happened out of nowhere.
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princesslullaby picked Yes:
But snow white and aurora are in movies that DONT stress the message of not falling for someone you just met and the movies in fact celebrate love at first site so to bring them up is totally irrelevant.
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Disneyfan9648 picked No:
But Anna and Kristoff didn't just meet when they fell for each other. You can see their transformation towards the end of the movie.
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princesslullaby picked Yes:
And anna didn't just meet hans when she fell for him. She only hung with kristoff for 6 extra hours.
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