Her work ethic is goals.

She's not a damsel, but she doesn't exactly exhibit the goals of a heroine ( saving everybody along the way). Tiana's goal is her restaurant, and this overshadows her decision to keep Naveen alive after Facilier gives her "the choice" of doing so. I've always sensed some "reluctance" in Tiana to help other people.

She's a heroine. She doesn't need to save people to be one.
She accomplishes goals and defeats facilier.

^ To me, a hero or a heroine "steps in" and saves most of everybody in the story. Tiana does not do this, so she does not fit the heroine category in my opinion. .

dictionary definition of heroine is "a woman admired or idealized for her courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities: " .. she definitely has achievements with her restaurant. like I said, the question says "IF YOU //HAD// TO PICK"...literally meaning if you were forced to choose one or the other. I don't see the point then in not picking and then commenting because it defeats the point of the question.

^Ok. So now any commenting without selecting from your above choices is a problem? Got it. Fine.

I don't think she's either, but she's definitely not a damsel so I'm compelled to choose heroine because of her "work hard" and "go get it" attitude. But neither honestly.

She's not really a damsel or heroine, but she has zero traits of damsel, so I pick this.

I don't get why people still keep the stereotype that "you must saves most of everybody to be called a hero/heroine" Sounds more like the definition of superhero rather than heroine for me, lol.
I agree with Princesslullaby, if a female lead accomplished and achieve something could be consider as a heroine, too.

@wavesurf- the question is literally asking you to pick one or the other if you were forced to choose. you don't have to pick anything, but then it defeats the point of the poll.

@wavesurf, you can't make your own definition of a word. Please don't let your dislike of Tiana prevent you from seeing her heroic traits.

Also, I think people are forgetting her heroic act in the end of the film, killing Facillier without a second thought.

A heroine is any woman who does something heroic, so she totally fits.
Tiana plays a fairly active role in her own safety and Naveen's. But beyond that...being a heroine isn't always about saving people or fighting bad guys. Busting her ass to get her own restaurant at a time when people of her race and gender were treated like second class citizens, and not taking no for an answer - that's brave as hell. Even if Tiana did nothing else in the movie she'd still be a heroine.

She is heroic, yea I know she saved others being selfless, but people forget it. She is really active, she pursues her goals, defeats Facilier and we can't ignore she is really ambitious, inspiring and hard working. She is not a Damsel, but I agree with princesslullaby. I mean a girl can save others, but she is not forced to do so for being a heroine. But if you tell anyone a heroine, a hero can't be selfish like Ariel or Jasmine and there the point of badassery doesn't matter. No one is forced to be selfless, but Ariel Is a Damsel in Distress. But I love Tiana. She stands up for herself and fights against bad guys. She isn't a Damsel even, she has 0 traits of a Damsel in Distress

@lavendergolden you just contradicted yourself!
In the poll for Mulan you said a heroine has to save others,
But now you're saying they don't , so I guess it's just to your
convenience, right? You better make up your mind before you
bash Ariel but then say tiana is a heroine, btw Ariel saved
more people than tiana. I don't even know why you
are bringing Ariel up in these polls.

@Coolsinger98: Um? Excuse me? My definition of a heroine is not made up ( bwhahaha) nor is wrong AT ALL. Wonder Woman is a real heroine. Compared to Diana Prince, Tiana is not a real heroine. Tiana only saves Naveen. Tiana saves nobody else. Tiana's heroic traits are really scant. Before you continue to pass judgement on me, make sure you watch TPATF movie again, and can tell me how many people Tiana actually helps out (only one: Louis the alligator) and how many she saves from harm? ( just one: Naveen). My dislike for Tiana has nothing at all to do with how many heroic things Tiana does. Tiana does very few heroic things. Setting up a restaurant is not heroic, and this was her father's dream to begin with. Got it?

Wow the comment section of this poll is full of blatant bs *claps*
And even bringing up Ariel or even Wonder Woman? *another claps*

@Sparklefairy: Your ridicule is not surprising. Same old same old.

Well..same thing to your bs

^Yeah. Good for you. I actually don't need your ridicule. So I'm going to ignore you. Have a nice day..

I think some people need to realise there is a difference between a heroine and a SUPERHERO. Comparing Tiana to Wonder Woman is completely random and makes little sense. It's like comparing Prince Charming to Deadpool or something.

Heroines in media do not need to save their entire country or something, jeez. Way to diminish one woman's achievements just because another woman did something better.

today i learned that you can't be a heroine if another woman does something more impressive.

this is your brain on wavesurf.

I would agree that there's a definite difference between a heroine and a superhero. If the only criteria for being a heroine was saving hundreds of people, then the only DPs who meet that criteria would be Pocahontas and Mulan (and arguably Merida, since she talks the clans out of starting a war, even if she was the instigator for said war). Although, Dr. Facilier was planning on feeding the souls of everyone in New Orleans to his "friends", so Tiana arguably saved hundreds as well, since she defeated him.

Regardless, saving lives isn't the only criteria for a heroine to meet imo. So long as they are strong, have admirable traits, and are in any way worth emulating, they fit the label. Tiana rails against nearly insurmountable odds in order to achieve her dream. I definitely think that standing up against society's prejudiced views is a heroic thing to do, and that's exactly what she does.

I agree with @unholynoise.

Oh, Tiana doesn't only save Naveen. By killing Faciller she is technically saving the whole LaBuff family, and possibly all of New Orleans, because we all know Faciller's ulterior motives. Who knows what he could have done? And I never said setting up a restaurant is heroic, but while we are on the issue, heroism is not just the act of physically saving someone. There are many definitions to it. Her courage, her ability to achieve a goal that was extremely hard for African American women at the time, etc. "She only saved Naveen." Saving lives isn't the only criteria. Ugh.

@Coolsinger: We'll just have to disagree about it, then. I tend to see Tiana's restaurant as "an achievement" for her, not as an act of heroism. Outside of superheros ( super-heroines) and all of that lot, even the ordinary heroes or heroines I think are worth their salt tend to do more than just achieve success for themselves-- they actually help out other people around them. Helping people out ( and saving lives) matters to me. Tiana is so focused on her restaurant, it takes Dr. Facilier's "icky deal" to get through to Tiana just how much she has run everybody out of her life while she was pursuing her goal.... The value system I have doesn't really seem to matter to Tiana until way late in her movie. So that's where I don't feel she quite fits the heroine category for me, as would say Mulan, Pocahontas, Ariel, or Cinderella, who practice being kind and "aware of others" all of the time. I didn't rush to make this conclusion, either. Tiana is from 2009, and it's nearly 2018 (almost). I'm not a rash thinker about value systems.

^ I see what you mean, however, just because someone becomes a hero at the very end of their movie, it doesnt exempt them from being named a hero. If you are going down that road, technically, Pocahontas wouldn't be a hero because she didnt save John Smith and prevented the war until the very end. And also, when does Cinderella save someone? Doesn't that matter to you, as you said? Ariel, Mulan and Pocahontas yes, but when did Cinderella save someone? Do you mean Gus?

As coolsinger198 said! Tiana saves more people, Ariel just saves Eric for her lustful attitude, so she saves only 1 person who is Flounder. Also princesslullaby, hahahaha Lol. There is again a TLM defender who ships Ariel, there is no rule we all have to agree on your opinion. And I know the reason for your over-obsession on her. In your profile, your first name and last name is together set as "Mrs. Prince Eric", and Ariel is the wife of Prince Eric. So have a good day with your perspective on Ariel whom I hate. It is understandable that you are biased with her a bit. So Tiana is not inferior to Ariel

And didn't you bash Rapunzel at my article? Plus there are multiple flaws of Ariel, selfish, ungrateful, bratty, spoilt, stupid and the list goes on and on. Tiana is lot better than her. She can be heroine for her activeness, quirk and outspoken attitude. But stop acting like a child and think we all have to agree on your opinion

Lavender golden i never bashed you or rapunzel, don't know why
You're lashing out at me and insulting me, you still didn't acknowledge that
You contradicted yourself in both polls to suit your opinion.
I never said Ariel was superior to tiana either so why don't you
try coming at me again with things that I actually said or did.
I have patience, I can wait for you to come up with a legitimate
Argument. "And I know the reason for your over-obsession on her. In your profile, your first name and last name is together set as "Mrs. Prince Eric", and Ariel is the wife of Prince Eric. "
What the fuck does that even mean lmao Oooo
1. You contradicted yourself, please explain
2. Ariel saves Eric for her lustful attitude- please explain what this
incoherent sentence means.
3. Explain why you called me childish and insulted my profile -
when I literally never insulted you personally, only said you contradicted yourself
4. Explain how me disagreeing that Rapunzel is autumn is bashing her

Sorry for typos and random capitalizations, hard to write in mobile

Lavendergolden sorry but insulting someone's profile is incredibly immature and adds nothing to the argument, it actually takes away from anything else you are saying. "Tiana is a lot better than Ariel", whilst I agree, is also entirely subjective so it's a redundant comment. Besides, princesslullaby is praising Tiana here, not bashing her, so I don't really get your points.

"Ariel only saves Eric for her lustful attitude" WHAT. What bias is this lmao. She still saved his life regardless. You know you can admit positive actions in your least favourites without having to put a biased spin on it to reinforce your dislike of the character. And before you come at me with "another Ariel fangirl", I don't even like Ariel. It just really bothers me when people can't admit positive traits or actions in their least favourites.

And I agree with your comments on Ariel's flaws, but what on Earth does that have to do with this poll? You can have all of those flaws and still be considered a heroine or hero.

Thank you mongoose. I even read over my comments again to see if I insulted her but I didn't. She really took extra time to go to my profile and try to insult me and call me childish because I called out how she contradicted herself.

@Coolsinger: Yeah, I did mean the mice. Cinderella frees Gus from a mousetrap, and she does save him and Jaques from Lucifer... If Cinderella weren't aware, she could have just let Lucifer eat them. lol. But that would have been...dark Disney?

As for how "late" in the movie "the kind act" or the "saving of someone occurs" --- there is a twist in it for me. If the character is generally pleasant enough to other characters during the movie ( like Pocahontas is) then when the "late saving act" happens, I'm more likely to give credit to him/her. But Tiana is not very pleasant towards other characters during TPATF ( 'cept for Lottie), so when her "late change" occurs, and she saves Naveen, her 180 degree personality switch feels awkward to me, and the movie ends really rapidly after that...so... I don't feel Tiana gets very much time to spend being either "pleasant" or "heroic." This is similar to how little time Disney gave Aurora to be heroic.

The amount of effort she puts into achieving her goal of owning a restaurant is heroic in itself.

@Sparklefairy375 teasing other trolls is really gonna make the matters worse. I mean the stuff you r saying is right, but seriously, be firm but not rude, they won't shut up, or better just ignore these fellows. @wavesurf u r independent not to choose any option but then why r u rigging this poll and thinking other's need to have same opinion as u? Wow, where did wonder woman come from, Tiana and Wonder Woman are polls apart, wtf it has to do in the polls! @Coolsinger I approve of your defense and maturity, but I don't think an argument with the trolls would fix the situation back 2 place.